Alt-f4 should be disabled from the game.

All "Alt-F4" does, is like simulating a crash to the program, and there's no definitive way do differ between the keystroke and a 'real' shutdown. Same goes for any stability issue of the connection itself, (the "lifesaving" effect caused by Alt-F4). Since this needs to exceed the (serverside) timeout delay, its not 100% safe, still consumes some time in unsafety.

And, IMHO, if you manage to use this escape method in a (very) risky situation, I'd say thats fine for you - many may be killed before they are out... An even bigger "problem" are scripts that simulate a real logout: automated ("controlled") logging out like you can do manually with <escape>+mouseclick entirely removes the connection timeout 'issue' ("risk") from the escapist... (and is probably even easier to access than Alt-F4)

IMHO, systemrelevant functions like tabbing out from fullscreen or even the Alt-F4 functionality should never be touched by an application. And I see no real chance to prevent from using scripting tools that just simulate your "own" doing... (only option I see would be to block backreading of positions to prevent mousesteering, but even then its (at least partially) possible to use fixed values for a given screen size, just more effort to adjust in first place)

So explain me why some insane HC player still dying all days ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/PoEdeaths

Why do you even care if others use alt F4?

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iamstryker написал:

Anyone who acts all high and mighty in this game and uses this technique has some serious mental issues. In any league.

Agree with the OP. Should be fixed.

Edit: Also put a delay on portals

+1

Agree with the OP too.

ALT+F4 should be disabled from the game and put a delay on quit/portals.

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jazf написал:

and to the other player that said that it would affect those who have game crashes

well, let me tell you. You shouldn't have game crashes. If you do, your concern should be getting new piece of hardware. I have not had this game crashed once since i started playing (when open beta launched). Not Once.

Even if you disable the alt f4 there are still other ways to close the program instantly.

What are you going to do if a legit crash or connection breakdown?

100% up time doesn't exists.. there is still a very small possibility for programs to crash. So what are you going to say to the minorities?

Scripts and macro equipment does the same things. So what are you going to do about those who use macro equipment like Razor Naga with key bindings? Should GGG detect what hardware we use and ban us?

Not sure if trolling...

Ok. I understand that you dont like it but i do. I have not good internet connection at all.
So what? Thanks to your "2 minutes delay" im gonna be able to die even at docks while i lose connection?

They just CAN'T do that. That you have sweet, nice,hiper pro connection doesnt mean that everybody have it. I know its thread about ALT+F4 but your idea is to delay permanent disconnection which is so selfish and "stupid" that it's even sad to read.

Why do you bother about that? Dont you want to use it? SO DONT USE IT.
And yeah. Most of you die like a man. Always. But u know... Due to some lags, desync, bugs not everybody want to die and lose 15% xp. Which is BIG penalty at 75lvl+ (penalty for bugs? Bad internet connection? Why somebody should get 15% penalty because of that?)

Ba Dum Tsss. Problem solved.

So. In my opinion it's the most selfish suggestion ever. Think u didnt even thought about other players who have those problems above.

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Mr_Cee написал:

All "Alt-F4" does, is like simulating a crash to the program, and there's no definitive way do differ between the keystroke and a 'real' shutdown. Same goes for any stability issue of the connection itself, (the "lifesaving" effect caused by Alt-F4). Since this needs to exceed the (serverside) timeout delay, its not 100% safe, still consumes some time in unsafety.

And, IMHO, if you manage to use this escape method in a (very) risky situation, I'd say thats fine for you - many may be killed before they are out... An even bigger "problem" are scripts that simulate a real logout: automated ("controlled") logging out like you can do manually with <escape>+mouseclick entirely removes the connection timeout 'issue' ("risk") from the escapist... (and is probably even easier to access than Alt-F4)

IMHO, systemrelevant functions like tabbing out from fullscreen or even the Alt-F4 functionality should never be touched by an application. And I see no real chance to prevent from using scripting tools that just simulate your "own" doing... (only option I see would be to block backreading of positions to prevent mousesteering, but even then its (at least partially) possible to use fixed values for a given screen size, just more effort to adjust in first place)

This is a good post. A lot much better than mine.

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Dejvids2 написал:

Not sure if trolling...

Ok. I understand that you dont like it but i do. I have not good internet connection at all.
So what? Thanks to your "2 minutes delay" im gonna be able to die even at docks while i lose connection?

They just CAN'T do that. That you have sweet, nice,hiper pro connection doesnt mean that everybody have it. I know its thread about ALT+F4 but your idea is to delay permanent disconnection which is so selfish and "stupid" that it's even sad to read.

Why do you bother about that? Dont you want to use it? SO DONT USE IT.
And yeah. Most of you die like a man. Always. But u know... Due to some lags, desync, bugs not everybody want to die and lose 15% xp. Which is BIG penalty at 75lvl+ (penalty for bugs? Bad internet connection? Why somebody should get 15% penalty because of that?)

Ba Dum Tsss. Problem solved.

So. In my opinion it's the most selfish suggestion ever. Think u didnt even thought about other players who have those problems above.

This guy gets it.

However, it's still wise to set up some kind of delay to prevent abuse of the system:

• The cast time of a town portal (either through the gem or through a Portal Scroll) should be 2 to 3 seconds (currently 2.5 seconds for the gem -- perfect).
• The delay for choosing to log out should be 2 to 3 seconds (currently zero).
• Using Alt+F4 doesn't communicate any command to the server, and the server takes 2 to 3 seconds to realize that you aren't there anymore. Therefore, it should not have any additional delay.

Where are these so called stats that say most of the hardcore community don't Alt-F4? If thats the case, I would be gobsmacked for one simple reason - humanity abuses, its the one staple of our race. If we can exploit, we will - it takes the strong minded minority to not do so.

And based simply on that, hardcore is Alt-F4core and is worthless, as those who crawl there way to the top do so by becoming immune bu quitting the game everytime they are about to die, like spineless cretins. Yes there are a few guys that don'e alt-f4, and those guys are fantastic gamers, but as they are in the Alt-f4 league, their achievement will never be noticed as they are surrounded by people that do.

The reason to sort out Alt-F4 is to legitimise hardcore. Until they do, it is simply Alt-F4core and nothing more. And worthless simply.

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VSwift написал:

Where are these so called stats that say most of the hardcore community don't Alt-F4? If thats the case, I would be gobsmacked for one simple reason - humanity abuses, its the one staple of our race. If we can exploit, we will - it takes the strong minded minority to not do so.

I believe you're oversimplifying the issue.

There's a tangible difference between someone who has used logout (in reality, Alt+F4 is inefficient) once or twice and makes a diligent effort to avoid death situations in Hardcore, and someone who plays recklessly and abuses the practice. I think you're right that temptation is a part of life, and that very few of us live a purely virtuous life -- but at the same time, the vast majority of us at least fight that temptation, with mixed results on the outcome. Only a very small minority of humans are so corrupt that they embrace corruption.

And perhaps that's what makes the Alt+F4 accusation such a firestarter. Faced with the fear of a community that sees things in black and white, the admission that you owe your current character to a timely logout -- despite playing proper hardcore the entire time, being cautious and not abusive, and caving into temptation just the once when you were genuinely blindsided -- puts one in a difficult state emotionally. Do you deny what you did? Do you jump on the bandwagon and attack your compatriots with false virtue? Does the fear of being labeled an exploiter make you cave completely to temptation?

My personal belief is that individual humanity is a lot stronger than you imagine. However, I also think that, with the community the way it is, the more a Hardcore player looks at chat or forums, the more likely they are to polarize to the light/dark sides of the issue.

As I said in an earlier post, there are limits to how much we can punish Alt+F4 and similar behaviors, because innocent players -- those caught up in lag, FPS lock, power outages, etc. -- are in the crossfire; determining delays is a balancing act where we increase false positives to reduce false negatives, and vice versa. Since delays of this sort are a limited solution, I think it's also important to focus on the community and get a more honest dialogue about this kind of stuff going. It's not nearly as black and white as people make it out to be.