the biggest "LIE" of this game...

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maffa50 написал:

Do people really believe that their build has to be 'optimal' to be fun?
If you make a horrible build then of course it will fail, but you can still play the game with a sub-optimal character.

No u cant.

You can die with a sub optimal char. Thats about it. Diversity is a joke.

Wouldn't that be class diversity?

Diversity in my brain means that whatever smart builds you make, whatever attack move you specialize in, it is just as viable as whatever the next guy chooses.

That's not the case. Far from it.

And.. whats funny is that you all know this. And still defend it.

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GroverMancer написал:

Only been playing for maybe a week. Played D2 back in the day. Thought this would be some updated, nostalgic fun.

The game tries to give the perception (via website, via passive powers chart, etc) that you can make more or less, any type of build you want. This of course, is nonsense.

It's all limited by the obnoxiously moronic gear/socket system.

You'll make the build the RNG gives you, and you'll like it. That, or you'll keep using armor 20 levels too low, just so you can actually use the powers you want to use.

Don't see myself sticking around too much for this one.


NOTE TO DEVS: if you want $$$ from F2P folks, you gotta at least let them think the game is worth it first, before you start screwing them over. For example, I played NWO a few months back... it took til end-game til I realized what P2W garbage it was. By then, I'd already bought a few things. Here, it only took a few days to realize what garbage your gear/socket/RNG system is. Thus, you'll get no $$$ from me.

He is rude but he noticed a very important problem: You'll make the build the RNG gives you, and you'll like it.

You can avoid this if you :

*are lucky
*play 10-16h/day
*down trade/up trade 10h/day
*bot
*RMT

For the rest, you can forget

There's plenty of build diversity, it's just a majority of players feel compelled to follow what the streamers do.

I do think Spectral Throw can be nerfed though, fuck, that's stifling the early game for me, melee weapon users really have no better AoE than that.

It's not at all what the streamers do for me. I haven't watched ANY stream or build recommendation.

I have like 11k dps currently with heavy strike. And I went CI because I thought it sounded cool. I can survive a lot of 74-78 maps currently but I cant kill shit. Takes me forever to kill anything and yet im still level 90. And I never cared about level, I just played and died and kept changing things up to see if I ever got viable DPS in "end game".

I never did. 11k dps means I take like an hour to clear a high level map. That is if I survive.

CI means I have no potions for knee jerk situations, CI means I get fucked with chilled maps. CI means I have to have at least one specific ring to to anything.

I'm level 90 now. The 8 other guild members quit about 14 days ago. I have seen one of them on in that time.
I have very crappy gear.. I never found better, I wasted a ton of currency trying to six link, never happened. I have to get carried in group plays. Carried by people who have insane gear and MF'ers who exploit the snapshot mechanics. I'm pretty much a bystander, watching ppl complete maps. Paying to take part of it.

That's no fun for me. My build would be viable if this game was balanced properly. It isn't. So I'm a scrub. I would never re-roll. This is my char. If he failed. Well, he failed. Goodbye. I tried. Not gonna try again.

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My build would be viable if this game was balanced properly

uhhh why?.. There is tons of great builds but that doesn't mean all "possible" builds ever should work out amazingly.

If you're doing heavystrike with CI then you're definitely missing out on tons of physical nodes. Has nothing to do with game balance. You just went for a build that doesn't synergize with your skill.

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kasub написал:

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My build would be viable if this game was balanced properly

uhhh why?.. There is tons of great builds but that doesn't mean all "possible" builds ever should work out amazingly.

If you're doing heavystrike with CI then you're definitely missing out on tons of physical nodes. Has nothing to do with game balance. You just went for a build that doesn't synergize with your skill.

His complaints sum up all complaints. The player is going against the grain, game gets too hard as it's designed to be difficult for people using very well designed builds, then rather than understanding 1. he will struggle but he likes the build so fuck it, 2. his ideas failed so he should reroll, he says the game is broken.

I've made many ineffective builds because they sounded interesting but I never expected them to be able to faceroll a 78.

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Diablo 2. Then again, that's the answer to any question relating to "what's POE doing wrong."
I played everything from a wirtadin, immortal necro to a remote nova assassin.
Good times, very good times. Much diversity, very wow.

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depends how you define diversity

If you mean, oh this soul taker dude has 1 more life node, hes a different build then sure.

ERMAGAWD THIS SPECTRAL THROW DUDE HAS 100% ACCURACY AND 8% MOAR LIFUUU! OOOOO THIS SPECTRAL THROW DUDE CAN MISS BUT CAN CRIT

big fucking deal!

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Diversity = The difference between playing a Bonermancer and a PoisonNovamancer. A Smiter and a Hammerdin

What the hell is up with theses biased comments, a soul taker is an item it has nothing to do with builds. Are builds bad in diablo 2 because everyone wears engima/chains of honors and shakos or maras and shit? Dafaq?

Also bonemancers/smiters/hammerdins is build diversity? I can randomly name 3 in PoE which is groundslammers, summoners, LA archers. Hell there's literally a build for every single skill in the entire game.

And are people bitching about stats in PoE? Do you know how to do stats in D2? You get enough to str to wear gear, enough dex to max block if you use a shield or block and then everything else literally into Vit. Dafaq? Also everyone literally played an hammerdin, it was the most overpowered meta end game character that you must have had to be "competitive."

My original statement was what other game has "build diversity" if Path of exile is the starting point of "no build diversity." So apparently D2 is the only dungeon crawler/arpg with any remote amount because every single other game has negative to even less then "none" in PoE. Since D2 is the generic default everyone is inspired from.

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RagnarokChu написал:

Also bonemancers/smiters/hammerdins is build diversity? I can randomly name 3 in PoE which is groundslammers, summoners, LA archers. Hell there's literally a build for every single skill in the entire game.

just wanted to tell that while you probably CAN make a build for every skill there are some that are simply way worse than others and as such youll not see them used in maps at all

ice nova, ice shot are just two examples

also - when would you superimpose builds people make there are THE paths people take that make their builds. and all of these paths are directed by life and foremost life nodes and other stuff later. it is still path of life nodes (fortunately to a lesser extent) but you HAVE to take life and as such your builds are limited to what path of life allows for. scion and her life circle eased this a bit because that 80+ wheel allows for ignoring some of the standard life nodes but on the other hand it made scion the best class for almost any high life build