Constructive feedback on 'fractured' (map mods)

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Deeno89 написал:

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All I have to say on this issue
"FUCK FRACTURED MODS"

That is all

Please keep posts constructive.

that was constructive , I was constructively telling ggg what most people are thinking about that mod in as easily readable a way possible. they now have a better picture .


honestly did you really want me to write a wall text on why fractured mods on the scale of a map is a terrible idea? (and it is an obnoxiously terrible idea just from a resources stand point)

I thought you would appreciate my directness and stunning ability to summarize.

VERY WELL


fracture mods is a terrible idea not from a balance perspective , not from a fun perspective
not even from a reward perspective


but from a stability perspective it is border line insane.

Look , like it or not people play on wooden pcs , we cant all have massive computers to run our shiny games.

Now ask your self what the hell would happen to a wooden pc that can barely run the game normally ,

when a group of 50 mobs suddenly turns into a group of 100 mobs?

melt down.

It was fine when it was isolated to small groups but bringing the mod to the scale of a map (which can be affected by other mob density mods) Is a thoughtless and damaging action

It should be eradicated swiftly and without mercy.

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that was constructive , I was constructively telling ggg what most people are thinking about that mod in as easily readable a way possible. they now have a better picture .

Depends on how u define 'constructive', lets not get into that discussion.

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honestly did you really want me to write a wall text on why fractured mods on the scale of a map is a terrible idea? (and it is an obnoxiously terrible idea just from a resources stand point)

Quite simple, yes. I hope to get opinions from multiple perspectives to understand why people think this mod is in a 'good/bad place'. This will not only help identifying the place of this mod in the game, but also help GGG to get a better understanding of how players experience this mod.

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I thought you would appreciate my directness and stunning ability to summarize.

Quite the talent u got there :) :p. Nevertheless, I want to direct u to my points in point 2 made.

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fracture mods is a terrible idea not from a balance perspective , not from a fun perspective
not even from a reward perspective


but from a stability perspective it is border line insane.

Look , like it or not people play on wooden pcs , we cant all have massive computers to run our shiny games.

Now ask your self what the hell would happen to a wooden pc that can barely run the game normally ,

when a group of 50 mobs suddenly turns into a group of 100 mobs?

melt down.

It was fine when it was isolated to small groups but bringing the mod to the scale of a map (which can be affected by other mob density mods) Is a thoughtless and damaging action

It should be eradicated swiftly and without mercy.

Ty for adding that.

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slatychipmunk написал:

that was constructive , I was constructively telling ggg what most people are thinking about that mod in as easily readable a way possible. they now have a better picture .


honestly did you really want me to write a wall text on why fractured mods on the scale of a map is a terrible idea? (and it is an obnoxiously terrible idea just from a resources stand point)

I thought you would appreciate my directness and stunning ability to summarize.

Well, you're aware of the amount of direct un-thought QQs on this forum right ? :p
Even if yours wasn't, you can't always just guess right what is and what isn't :>.

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Fruz написал:

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slatychipmunk написал:

that was constructive , I was constructively telling ggg what most people are thinking about that mod in as easily readable a way possible. they now have a better picture .


honestly did you really want me to write a wall text on why fractured mods on the scale of a map is a terrible idea? (and it is an obnoxiously terrible idea just from a resources stand point)

I thought you would appreciate my directness and stunning ability to summarize.

Well, you're aware of the amount of direct un-thought QQs on this forum right ? :p
Even if yours wasn't, you can't always just guess right what is and what isn't :>.

true , but so many other post in this thread say in so many words essentially the same thing

"fuck fractured mod"

And this is still the prevailing thought on this topic , it is a mechanic that deserves a violent death , preferably with fire and razor wire , and maybe a cactus for good measure

And we all know I am one for the dramatic QQ

Leave it in.

Fractured is scary if I forget about it at the start of a map (and it can be nasty on jumpy rares like frogs). Otherwise, for my build, it is very easy, less tedious, and less problematic than temporal chains, -max resist, and elemental reflect. It can actually allow me to clear faster. To me, it is a free high %.

I would, however, like the know the number of fractures and get a varying bonus depending on that (I've seen maps where whites turn into 2 new creatures and 4 new creatures--I'm pretty sure it varies).

To me, it's the opposite of reflection mods--it favors the high-damage AoE folks and hinders the slow killers.

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Fractured is scary if I forget about it at the start of a map (and it can be nasty on jumpy rares like frogs). Otherwise, for my build, it is very easy, less tedious, and less problematic than temporal chains, -max resist, and elemental reflect. It can actually allow me to clear faster. To me, it is a free high %.

First, I would like to get some more information and also provide some feedback on what ur claiming. Can u share the build ur using, why u think fractured is easy for ur build, whether ur over/undergeared for the map u were doing at that time?

Also, Fracture cannot allow u to clear something faster. Please do correct me if I'm wrong, but I fail to see how killing 4 mobs, and after that 16 mobs, can be faster than just killing 4 mobs.

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To me, it's the opposite of reflection mods--it favors the high-damage AoE folks and hinders the slow killers.

As I'm trying to explain in the previous point, it hinders every build. Maybe it hinders some builds more than others, true, but again, I fail to see how killing 4 mobs, and after that 16 mobs, can be faster than just killing 4 mobs. Please explain.

Also, I would like to ask u to take all points in this thread into consideration if ur advocating to leave it in the game, but also if u want to remove the mod or change it. Speed/clear time is not the only issue handled in this thread. What is ur opinion on the rest of the issues?

Edit: typo

yeah i dont get it either, the mobs split into equal mobs after death,

at minimum that means it takes twice as long to kill mobs, and that is assuming you are using consistent flat aoe damage.

It is akin to just taking the time it takes to clear a map and doubling it.

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yeah i dont get it either, the mobs split into equal mobs after death,

Good, I'm not the only 1! :p

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It is akin to just taking the time it takes to clear a map and doubling it.

At a minimum indeed. Might even be a lot more if they fracture into 4.

Use fracture to your benefit or skip it. For instance, vaal detonate dead on a fracture map against a boss that would normally kill you works pretty well.

I can't run elemental reflect maps. Period. I'll kill myself. It rolls quite frequently. I quite honestly don't mind. I just suck up the alt/chaos or combine it for another higher level map.

I'm an old-school discharger and a LGOH/melee splash person (two chars/builds). I prefer having masses of stuff around--it's one-on-one, toe-to-toe where I fail on both. My discharger wastes so much time running around trying to get charges on single enemies. Against groups, I'm doing nonstop killing.

I do maps 71-74 including most bosses with my discharger. I do them solo.

As for the other issues--I simply don't have them. I've never desynced or lagged from gigantic spawns of creatures, although I've spawned around 100 at once before (4-split map + very large radius discharge on a +pack size map + two packs next to each other).

I run a GTX 660 with 3 monitors on it, not in SLI mode, play with high graphics settings on a WQHD monitor, and I have a first-gen i7 processor with a 7200 RPM platter drive. My connection is a shared connection that has problems streaming video during peak hours. It's definitely nothing outrageous. Beyond the monitors, its the average $1K computer build. I also play in full screen mode--windowed mode doesn't have the performance capabilities for even minor action.

I sure hope you're not playing in windowed mode. If you're playing in windowed mode, fix that, and it'll make a world of difference.

If you're playing on a weak computer or something, I don't know what to tell you. My rig is quite aged compared to most gaming computers nowadays, and it still runs fine.