Cast on Crit and multiple hits
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The title does an amazingly effective job of describing my question. I have looked through the forum, but have not found this particular question answered.
I want to use cast on crit, but before I do, I would like to know just how often it procs in the following cases: 1. Dual Strike (and by sheer luck, both hits crit!) 2. Multistriking Frenzy (with a crit, and because it is one roll for all hits, that means 3 critical hits!) 3. Multistriking Dual Strike (I...I have no idea. Maybe if one hand crits, it crits on every hit?) I would also like to know what happens if you use a skill that generates a power charge, and a skill that uses a power charge, at the same time. Say....Frenzy linked to gain a power charge on critical and discharge. Does it gain a power charge, then discharge? Discharge, then power charge? Does it depend on the order the skills are in the item? Thank you very much for any help in answering these questions! ETA: Multyple? Seriously? What is wrong with me? Последняя редакция: Spottmesser#1183. Время: 29 нояб. 2013 г., 21:28:22
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Don't need to be lucky to Crit with both weapons using Dual Strike :P
Anyways, every separate Critical Strike (checks per Hit, not per activation) will roll for Cast on Crit. Dual Strike is a single Hit, and rolls once. Double Strike Hits twice, rolling twice. Multistrike Frenzy gets you three swings. The initial Skill is resolved first. You attack with Frenzy, so all Frenzy's effects are resolved. You gain a Frenzy and possibly a Power Charge. Due to Crits, Discharge starts rolling for Cast on Crit, after you gain those Charges. Последняя редакция: Vipermagi#0984. Время: 30 нояб. 2013 г., 07:57:42
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First off, thank you very much for replying! I just have a few more questions.
The wiki article on dual strike says that critical strikes for each weapon are rolled separately, is this true? If so, what happens when both roll critical hits? Is it considered two crits, but only one hit? Second! So, the order initial skill resolves frenzy -> gets you a charge. Then what? Power charge on crit isnt part of the initial skill, why would it resolve before cast on crit? I am not trying to be whiny, I just really want to understand what is happening when I get a lucky swing in. Thanks again for such a helpful post! |
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I don't see the Wiki saying it rolls Crit separately. :)
The line about Accuracy/Crit refers to having different Crit Chances on both weapons. They check against the same Crit roll, but with inequal Crit Chance their 'threshold' lies at a different value. Crit Chance is a roll between 0 and 99. When a Skill is activated, it rolls once for Crit Chance. If the Crit Chance of a given Hit is greater than the rolled Crit value, the Hit is a Crit. Dual Strike attacks with two weapons. Say we have one weapon with 10% Crit Chance, and one with 20%. If the Skill rolls a 15 for Crit Chance, only the 20% Crit Chance weapon actually scores a Crit; the other weapon performs a normal Hit. Additionally, Crits with Attacks must roll a second Accuracy vs. Evasion check to 'confirm' the Crit. Unlike Crit Chance, Accuracy is rolled separately per hit. If one weapon fails the Crit Confirm and the other passes, you can end up with one weapon Critting, the other Hitting. However, for the purposes of Cast on Crit, it's all the same: It's one single Hit, and one single Crit, even if both weapons pass their Crit Chance checks. (Dual Strike is weird as shit) "Then what? Power charge on crit isnt part of the initial skill" Except, it is. Supports never do anything on their own. They only grant their stats to the linked Skill. You link Power Charge on Crit to Frenzy, so PCoC adds its stats to Frenzy. Frenzy now grants a Power Charge on Crit; not the Support. Cast on Crit is a 'response' to Frenzy inflicting a Crit. That's why it will always resolve after Frenzy. Последняя редакция: Vipermagi#0984. Время: 30 нояб. 2013 г., 09:49:26
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Thank you! That really helped clear up some questions I had, but is also raised a few more.
If I have two spells linked to cast on crit, which one triggers first? Is it random, are they considered to be at the same time? If they could effect each other, how does that work? Say detonate dead and raise zombie are linked to the same cast on crit gem, and there is one corpse around, what happens? If I swing into a group of 5 and with melee splash linked to frenzy, and have that linked to cast on crit, and get a critical strike, is that counted as 1 critical strike or 5 for the purposes of cast on crit? Thank you again for your answers! |
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No, they aren't triggered at the same time, not a lot of things in the game happen at the same time, not even shotgunning with freeze pulse at point-blank range makes all waves hit at the same time. It's either one hit or not, dual strike is one hit that combines damage, that's why it works like that.
As to which triggers first, I think it's the gem linked closer to cast on crit, people have been playing with setups like that for a while using cast when damage taken, haven't tried it personally. However, you can forget about such setups with Cast on crit because it has a chance to trigger, it's not 100% reliable. Detonate dead will detonate the corpse and raise zombie will do nothing, or vice-versa, there's only one corpse. That counts as 5 critical strikes and each linked spell has a separate chance to be cast, you may see all of them trigger, you may see one, and you may see none. Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs.
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