Daggers too OP

Daggers aren't OP, it's just that everything else melee related sucks.

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I_NO написал:

How about they just buff 2 handers? They've been shit for ages now lol oh wait apparently that's kinda not on the radar.

lol, I see a guy who defends his own dagger at all costs. You are meaningless to the discussion as your opinion is all through biased. 2hand weapons have disadvantages that can't be made up with pure dps buff.

If you wanted to buff the dps of 2handers and take into account the less defense, you had to buff them to about 700k - 1 million reave dps (compare 450k dagger reave dps). What then and why would this be the solution? To just keep your dagger as op as it is at all costs? So that everyone 1 hits everything from white trash to unique high map bosses in groups?

Thanks for your contribution to balance discussion. It's worthless tho. lol

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Schnupfndrache7 написал:

you talk about mirroed items that are played in shavs lowlife build with legacy stuff etc.... shouldn't judge balance questions depending on standard !

however i support this

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choopk1993 написал:

Yes two handers need some love :3.

daggers are fine, 2handed needs like a good maruader passive for example http://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/2gx9y5/discussion_idea_for_new_2hand_mechanic/

What is fine about daggers? 450k aoe dps is fine? In fact it is not, no matter with what gear. You can even alt+aug+mastercraft a 450 dps dagger that does 80-90% of the mirror dagger dps for cheap now (that would be 350k+ aoe dps, which seems totally fine, lol).

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PyleWarlord написал:

I agree that other weapons may need some love but if you take perfect item and then say it's OP and needs to be nerfed, what happens to the other similar items that does not have 6 T1 rolls?
Yep, they are screwed.

IMO perfect items should be OP...

No, the normal non crit-buffed weapons (apart from 2hands) are basically fine and in line with overall balance. Daggers are totally not.

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LSN написал:

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I_NO написал:

How about they just buff 2 handers? They've been shit for ages now lol oh wait apparently that's kinda not on the radar.

lol, I see a guy who defends his own dagger at all costs. You are meaningless to the discussion as your opinion is all through biased. 2hand weapons have disadvantages that can't be made up with pure dps buff.

If you wanted to buff the dps of 2handers and take into account the less defense, you had to buff them to about 700k - 1 million reave dps (compare 450k dagger reave dps). What then and why would this be the solution? To just keep your dagger as op as it is at all costs? So that everyone 1 hits everything from white trash to unique high map bosses in groups?

Thanks for your contribution to balance discussion. It's worthless tho. lol

What the fuck is wrong with you? Have you not seen my signature I do not have a SINGLE char that uses daggers in terms of it's core DPS and such, Not a single one.

Look at it closely look look mindfully maybe you can you know don't generalize people? Yeah it would be very helpful towards you.

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I_NO написал:

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LSN написал:

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I_NO написал:

How about they just buff 2 handers? They've been shit for ages now lol oh wait apparently that's kinda not on the radar.

lol, I see a guy who defends his own dagger at all costs. You are meaningless to the discussion as your opinion is all through biased. 2hand weapons have disadvantages that can't be made up with pure dps buff.

If you wanted to buff the dps of 2handers and take into account the less defense, you had to buff them to about 700k - 1 million reave dps (compare 450k dagger reave dps). What then and why would this be the solution? To just keep your dagger as op as it is at all costs? So that everyone 1 hits everything from white trash to unique high map bosses in groups?

Thanks for your contribution to balance discussion. It's worthless tho. lol

What the fuck is wrong with you? Have you not seen my signature huh? Huh? CAN YOU READ does A N Y T H I N G say daggers on it? Does it?

Look at it closely look look mindfully

Who cares what you write on your signature. The essence is that daggers are not fine, and alot of the op stuff you admit to use on your signature isn't as well and not if or if not you are using/owning/have crafted a dagger or not.

That stuff that you admit to use on your signature is basically abusing the same mechanics as dagger do and therefore can be put into thesame category of being "not fine".

Rather tell me where the challenge in the game remains for you when litterally everything is 1hit or down within 2-3 seconds in a 6 man party. No matter how good gear is, it should never reach this level.

You are just plain ridiculous guy LMAO, Let the community devour you. I have god tier everything I earned my shit rightfully meaning trading mf'ing all fucking day of course anyone who has god tier gear such as Loathe bane and such is going to 1 hit things because It's the best gear in the game why shouldn't that be?

Should every piece of gear be equal? Ask your self that LMAO should a terrible dagger with mid tier status compete with a loathe bane? No of course should a sword / 2 hander compete with a dagger yeah of course that's what I'm comparing it too, you don't fucking understand that do you? All you cry about is WHAAAAAAAAAA This guy is in god tier gear thus lets all nerf it cuz you know even though he or she is in the BEST gear in the game it shouldn't be OP

Not even worth my time.

LSN, 2-handers will never have 1 million reave dps because reave doesn't work with 2-handers.

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kolton написал:

LSN, 2-handers will never have 1 million reave dps because reave doesn't work with 2-handers.

Next thing hes going to say is Mjonier is OP it shouldn't be able to do 42042040k dps despite It's super rare and extremely expensive that's his logic right there.

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I_NO написал:

You are just plain ridiculous guy LMAO, Let the community devour you. I have god tier everything I earned my shit rightfully meaning trading mf'ing all fucking day of course anyone who has god tier gear such as Loathe bane and such is going to 1 hit things because It's the best gear in the game why shouldn't that be?

Should every piece of gear be equal? Ask your self that LMAO

Not even worth my time.

I am not sure what can be more ridiculous than being a rmt/jsp guy that buys all mirrored items from jsp gold that has been probably acquired with wow botting or similar stuff and enjoy to just blindly one shot the whole game, lol.

I enjoy balance and challenge in games. Both is not given with items/builds that you exclusively seem to play and defend here.


It doesnt matter if 2hands can or cannot use reave. It is a simple comparison of numbers that shows how stupid it is to buff everything on the level of dagger dps.

Lol first time I've been accused of JSP/RMT HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

It's like I'm etup for 1 fucking post

I'm fucking glad Carl and the other balance team don't listen to people like you despite they make the silliest decisions I'm so glad they don't listen to you.

God dam that would be a disaster. Be like D3 Jay wilson Style.

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choopk1993 написал:

Should GGG reduce the APS and base crit chance of daggers. Cuz loath bane and honour etcher.....too op needs nerf.

 For all but the elite no-lifer players the answer is a resounding NO! There are always the top 1% of players that have the extreme time to figure out the best builds to steamroll through most of PoE. But the rest of us, especially the time constrained or those who never will want to devote that much of their free time to playing PoE, we are happy that GGG has made some of the weapons more powerful with the 1.2 patch. This patch has opened up PoE to many more build variations because of the better crit damage and lower mana requirements. I think this is a fantastic move on GGG's part to do that for the 99% that will never ever get a build to level 100. Of course there are going to be a few players that will absorb all game content and come back asking for "more difficulty please". Ok, so there are some builds that are more OP than others. That's a DUH! statement and is always going to be true of any arpg. If you eventually get a BIS weapon then running maps will be easier and you might incorrectly assume that GGG made PoE too easy. But most will never get to the 1% top in gear and build skills so where GGG has placed PoE in terms of hardcore difficulty with patch 1.2 is better for most players. The "goldilocks" zone is different for all PoE players and as such GGG has done a remarkable job in such a short amount of time to take the tons of player feedback and use that to adjust game development to try to please the majority of us. That will never stop and there will always be the 1% that say PoE is too easy or 1% say it's too hard but the 98% rest of us are mostly happy with patch 1.2 and Forsaken Masters.

Edit: If you feel that dagger crit damage is too OP then just don't use a dagger weapon. Just because GGG is making PoE more accessible to a larger arpg audience (especially those who have limited playing time) by making many more skills viable with reduced mana requirements and better crit damage does not mean that you must use them and then complain that dagger crit is too OP. It's your choice to play a dagger build of not. Don't complain to GGG and us that it needs to be nerfed. You should just play a different build where you are challenged more. Be creative with new (harder to face palm the monsters) builds with the lesser used skills and enjoy the new features in patch 1.2 and stop saying that this or that it too OP please.