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tehosiris написал:
you calculations are very wrong, to say at least :)
let's just settle with, if you want to run 4 auras, you need to take all aura passives from my build and link them with reduced mana ;)


Don't see where my calculations are wrong. I have same results than the programm :)

Actualy if i can take 5% more aura on skill tree, i will be able to run 6 aura (purity of ice, fire and lightning, grace, vitality, determination) and still have around 10-15 mana left.

I will use your build point per point actualy and certainly switch to 6 auras around lvl 90

Thx girltoy for the nice progr :)


how are you able to run that many auras? i've played around with the program and I cant see how you're able to get away with 6 auras? whats your mana reserve reduction?





Like that, that's why i am talking about lvl 90+ to make it run. With this skill tree i have around 50% less mana reserved.

With your program, if i run 500 mana, with 50% less mana reserved and lvl 20 reduced mana gem, i am able to run 2x60% aura et 4x40% aura, leaving me with 10 mana left.
Последняя редакция: Garvil#0915. Время: 18 нояб. 2013 г., 06:18:58
Unless I fail at math, all you achieve is 5% additional mana reduction on auras, which wont make a difference (going from 41 in the original spec to 46)
the difference between 41% and 46% - is one aura. even with lvl 20 reduced mana you can only afford 4 auras: (2x60% + 3x40%) * 0.71 (gem) * 0.59 (passives) = 101% of your mana. with 46% mana reservation you can actually do 1 more aura, but spending 8 points to get it is an overkill imo.

there is as an option to use Alpha Howl:
- it will allow you to use 5 auras
- it will boost your auras even more with +2 lvl
- zombiez can be moved to Matua Tupuna ( zombie + minion life + empower to get more life, or zombie + empower + enhance to get more speed) and your auras will be buffed even more
- then, with all your bonuses, purity of X auras will give you +5-6 to maximum resistance, which is the same as Saffell's Frame (through summons will have no block)
- aand you save 1 SP on necro aegis :D
- aaaaand you can't raise zombie: only 7-9% of your total mana and no BM gem

but Alpha Howl is quite expensive...
Последняя редакция: nyash#2006. Время: 18 нояб. 2013 г., 08:15:39
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nyash написал:
the difference between 41% and 46% - is one aura. even with lvl 20 reduced mana you can only afford 4 auras: (2x60% + 3x40%) * 0.71 (gem) * 0.59 (passives) = 101% of your mana. with 46% mana reservation you can actually do 1 more aura, but spending 8 points to get it is an overkill imo.

there is as an option to use Alpha Howl:
- it will allow you to use 5 auras
- it will boost your auras even more with +2 lvl
- zombiez can be moved to Matua Tupuna ( zombie + minion life + empower to get more life, or zombie + empower + enhance to get more speed) and your auras will be buffed even more
- then, with all your bonuses, purity of X auras will give you +5-6 to maximum resistance, which is the same as Saffell's Frame (through summons will have no block)
- aand you save 1 SP on necro aegis :D
- aaaaand you can't raise zombie: only 7-9% of your total mana and no BM gem

but Alpha Howl is quite expensive...



What i am planning to try:

Using alpha owl for 6 aura (not 5) with the program, if i run 2x60%+ 4x 40% with all the passive skill tree reduction from op and alpha owl it is doable, but i will keep around 12 mana (will see if it is enough to cull with lvl 1 arc). For specters it is ok, you have to raise only one time and keep them forever :), for zombies, just put off 2 auras, rez zombies and put on auras again.

The great question is: If i am playing with 20/20 minion life + 20/20 raise zombie + lvl 3 empower + 20/20 minion damage or minion resist, zombies will still die often or not ?

With this idea, if i am able to run those 6 auras, i will put away saffell's frame and switch with maybe lioneye's remorse.

What about it ? Am i totaly stupid ? Or it is doable ?

@Garvil maths at it's best :))) sorry, you do need an alphas to pull that off
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tehosiris написал:
@Garvil maths at it's best :))) sorry, you do need an alphas to pull that off


eh eh :p I will buy a perfect alpha...didn't decided if i will keep it or just use for swaping aura...

Tehosiris: Can you please tell me if your zombie die often or not ? xD
Последняя редакция: Garvil#0915. Время: 18 нояб. 2013 г., 13:12:21
i streamed for ~11 hours today, not one casualty on merciless piety farming
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If you are interested in aura reservation calculations, you may check my calculator (updated it for new patch now but didn't tested a lot)
note: first slide in "help" isn't accurate - you should type in "RMR mult" field (one of fields with blue border) not "mana reduced reservation" but 100 - "mana reduced reservation" (with alpha howl example: not 8, but 92 or 0.92)


BTW, elemental equilibrium doesn't "stack" according this information, so hitting with arc after cold snap will not lower fire resistance more
Последняя редакция: alt0172#5861. Время: 18 нояб. 2013 г., 16:49:07
Ah right, I keep forgetting that Vitality is now 40% mana reserve, so yes indeed those 8 points will grant you an additional 40% aura. We're talking super endgame for this to work, though, and the question is if an additional 40% aura will truly matter.

Grace (60%)
Determination (60%)

Vitality (40%)
Purity (40%)
And then a chosen resistance of choice depending on map/area to boost their max res furthermore?

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