Can I refund my 2 power charges since its probably useless on Juggernaut?

As the title says I ASSUME power charges are now useless?

I have 4 points wasted on power charges but my juggernaut is ALWAYS on 6 MAX endurance charges.

Could I refund these 4 points for 2 charges and perhaps put them towards another endurance charge node?

Its discharge build mjolner

Why do you assume that?

This has already been discussed in other threads of TriniGamer's but maybe he just missed my assessment, so I'll repeat myself here:

It all depends on how important crit is in your build.

Because zSavage's build has the ability to keep 4-5 power charges up at all times, the max charges is important for increasing crit chance

Because TriniGamer's version of the build only ever keeps up 1-2 power charges at a time, max power charge stat has no impact on his character and can be safely discarded assuming he has no plans to move towards zSavage's (exact) setup

^Ooh thanks

I understand now.

I would think power charges on a discharge build have more to do with having things to discharge than getting extra crit chance. But if you aren't getting the charges then there is no reason to have a higher max.

"

mark1030 написал:

I would think power charges on a discharge build have more to do with having things to discharge than getting extra crit chance. But if you aren't getting the charges then there is no reason to have a higher max.

Juggernaut new asc passive: if you would gain 1 endurance charge, gain max charges instead

(Plus Voll's Devotion)

Hopefully that makes it clear enough why you would only need 1 to 3 max power charges for a Juggernaut discharge build

True, but his assessment still holds: If you can get them, they increase your damage.

... Are there really that many people that just look up a build somewhere and try to copy it?

"

UnDeaD_CyBorG написал:

True, but his assessment still holds: If you can get them, they increase your damage.

... Are there really that many people that just look up a build somewhere and try to copy it?

Well thats what I do, I look up builds on the forums and just copy it.

All the top streamers already have the best builds. But from what I noticed Zsavage build with power charge probably isn't the best build for juggernaut.

Because here is why, power charges beyond 3 is pointless on juggernaut, now the other guy says well not true because more power charge more DPS right? well if you look at the juggernaut ascendant tree, you gain max endurance charge instead of 1.

So instead of going for more than 3 power charge, you are better off going for more endurance charge. Why? because more endurance charge actually works in connection with immortal call and fire penetration. Plus you get more fire reflect so you can flask fire resis.

This is what I have observed, now going for more max endurance charge has its negatives since you don't do the kind of DPS of power since power charge nodes are close to "spell crit chance and spell crit multiplier"

Sooo even though you will gain the same charges via endurance the damage will be less BUT your immortal call CWDT will be more. I created this build from advice by my guild they said to copy Zsavage guide.

I am making some small adjustments like I have a 4% block volls devo so I am going to spend 3 points on the tree and take 5% block nodes and combine it with tempest shield for a total of 12% block bonus compared to Zsavage.

It seems as though in this game you don't have to follow a guide 100% you can do your own thing and possibly come out better. But all in all Zsavage has a really nice guide. Tackle70 trashed his RainBow nuke thread and his scion which is kinda sad. But then it wasn't even Atziri viable in the first place and Zsavage mjolner is.

"

TriniGamer написал:

Because here is why, power charges beyond 3 is pointless on juggernaut, now the other guy says well not true because more power charge more DPS right? well if you look at the juggernaut ascendant tree, you gain max endurance charge instead of 1.

So instead of going for more than 3 power charge, you are better off going for more endurance charge.

Why do you have to choose? Wouldn't as many of both be better than stopping after you have as many endurance charges as you can get? I've never looked at the build, but I have played with somebody using mjolner. And i know he had at least 15 charges in total because he got the overcharged achievement. I know those weren't all endurance charges.

To be honest I have not tried Myolner after juggernaut patch, so not speaking from experience. My guess is that it is somehow difficult to save up more than 3 power charges before they get spent on a particular given build (so the answer to "Why do you have to choose?" would be "because the associated costs with pursuing both would exceed the benefits for me")

Certainly I would be biased toward single charge builds because I like the theory behind just how powerful penetration is, and I've been annoyed in the past at resistant monsters being a speed bump in my play