Why people use maim support?

Let's take 20/20 maim support gem:
30% phys damage
10% phys damage from +20 quality

total of 40%.

Supported Attacks have 30% chance to Maim on Hit,
and Enemies Maimed by Supported Skills take (10-14)% increased Physical Damage.

that means, we have 30% chance to get total of 54% phys damage,
and 70% chance to get just 40%.


i'm using:
Sunder -> Multistrike -> conc. (64% area damage but 30% less AOE) -> ruthless -> melee phys (59% on 20/20 gem) -> fortify.

The fortify gives:
43% melee phys (20/20 gem),
plus damage reduction.

i'd prefer 43% all the time, even if we put the damage reduction aside,
over only 30% chance to get %54.

am i wrong?

thanks.

theres a difference between 'increased physical damage', 'more physical damage' and 'increased physical damage taken'.

increased damage is additive with all your other sources of increased damage, more damage is a multiplier on its own and increased damage taken is applied to the monster after it takes the damage, rather than being a multiplier that effects your tooltip at all.

The result is that increased damage values do very little for your damage compared to more damage values, and if you are not stacking other sources then increased damage taken essentially works like a more damage multiplier. Try taking out fortify and seeing how much ur tooltip goes down, then try taking out melee phys and ull see the difference in strength between them.

I can do a quick calc actually to show u what I mean...

lets say you start with 100 base damage, and you have 400% increased damage on your tree.


With no supports you have 100, factor in the 400% increase and end up with 500 total damage


with fortify, it gives you another 43% increased, so now its 100 base multiplied by 443% = 543 total damage


with maim its 10% increased, 30% more and 14% increased taken, so you do 100 multiplied by 410% increased = 510 damage. then we do 510 damage multiplied by 30% more = 663 damage. Then we do 663 multiplied by 14% increased damage taken = 755 total damage


so in the example fortify gave us an extra 43 damage and maim gave us an extra 255 damage providing we maim. Its usually against single targets where you need your big damage so you hit them a lot of times and the chance to maim will eventually proc and effect all subsequent damage.

You are wrong.

The supported skills deal 15-30% MORE physical damage.

Quality gives 10% INCREASED damage.

Increased damage is additive, more is multiplicative.

At lvl 20, if we maim on hit you deal:

10% increased damage
30% more damage


And enemies take 14% increased physical damage.

I don't know how the latter compares to the other two, other than they take increased physical damage from ALL sources, eg party members, minions etc. I don't know if % increased physical damage taken is better than % increased physical damage, but maybe someone can clarify on that.

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FAMO написал:

I don't know if % increased physical damage taken is better than % increased physical damage, but maybe someone can clarify on that.

it applies to the monster, so its not additive with your own sources of increased damage. Obviously its called increased and that signifies that its additive with other sources of increased damage taken, for example vulnerability curse causes enemies to take increased damage, so it would be additive with vulnerability. But unless you have another source like that its basically acting like an invisible more multiplier, which I believe is added to the damage the monster takes after mitigation, which either way is somewhat meaningless as monster armour is virtually non existent and their physical reductions from map mods or endurance charges are % based, so it doesnt rly matter if the damage is calced before or after mitigation, but it happens on the monsters end.