Minion Players Don’t Want to Cast Spells – Why Force It?

People want to play minion builds because they don’t want to spam a bunch of active skills. That’s literally the whole point. But for some reason GGG seems hell-bent on forcing this clunky, awkward gameplay style down everyone’s throat. For the love of god, what’s even the point of minions if everything comes down to manually casting spells yourself?

Every single league – both in PoE1 and now PoE2 – GGG systematically kills off all viable minions and tries to push players into playstyles they don’t want. This league they nerfed minions so hard at the start that it was painful even to finish the campaign. Even Ghazzy, with solid gear, was struggling against white mobs on low-tier maps.

Players tested literally every spectre and found only one that was remotely usable – and even that was trash compared to most other builds. The only truly playable minion right now is Storm Skelemages, and of course GGG (with what feels like great delight) chopped their clear speed in half.

Where’s the logic here? What’s the commercial reasoning behind deliberately gutting an entire archetype league after league with such persistence? Meanwhile, 50% of players base playing broken Lightning Spear is somehow “fine”? Come on GGG, this is insane.

I think u know the answer already.

GGG doesn't like that playstyle. The same way they don't want us to just spam one skill. If u wanna run minions, u're supposed to combo them with spells/buffs/whatever active they implement.

Wait until RF is implemented and it doesn't deal damage unless u combo it with 3 active skills every few seconds.

+1👍

there are other ways to promote more skills used by minion players, yet they choose the worst one - force players to cast minion's spells for them, w/o having extra castspeed for it. And if you dont - minions sux.

there are better ways - like curses, banners, flamewalls, something.
Also, where other interactions with other skills?
It feels minions' builds are gandicapped to play their own circle of gems as there are almost none cross-interactions with other mechanics outside minions.
There is a great way to introduce "command" gems to control you minions better. Yet atm every skeleton minion is gandicapped to players ability to press their skills asap. Besides ai and pathfinding, besides needing to amass spirit instead of chest defenses. Etc

Why there are no minions+ailments?
Minions+walls to shatter?
Minions with slams?

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Sadaukar#2191 написал:

I think u know the answer already.

GGG doesn't like that playstyle. The same way they don't want us to just spam one skill. If u wanna run minions, u're supposed to combo them with spells/buffs/whatever active they implement.

Wait until RF is implemented and it doesn't deal damage unless u combo it with 3 active skills every few seconds.

I thought games were supposed to be fun for players? Right now if you want to play minions you already have to juggle things like Sigil of Power, weapon swapping, a curse, and an offering. Sure, you can throw Convocation on top of that too.

The only skill that actually feels like genuine “minion gameplay” is Reavers’ Commands—but they constantly get stuck, lag behind, and end up being practically unusable.

also i would add - i tried to find chill build to play in poe1 and poe2. Tried minions and rf... it turns out i was using both hotkey groups on both setups. While my deadeye or slammer were perfectly fine with 1-2 buttons (yet they for some reason were presented as "more active" gameplay).
So basically there are a lot of controversy and hypocrisy in "more skills to use is what we want" and "minions are no buttons to press", while there are plenty of one-two button builds and almost none of them are minions.

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dotabaka#2035 написал:

Where’s the logic here? What’s the commercial reasoning behind deliberately gutting an entire archetype league after league with such persistence? Meanwhile, 50% of players base playing broken Lightning Spear is somehow “fine”? Come on GGG, this is insane.

my ques is botting would be too easy and it would destroy the economy?

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Lilianda#8332 написал:

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dotabaka#2035 написал:

Where’s the logic here? What’s the commercial reasoning behind deliberately gutting an entire archetype league after league with such persistence? Meanwhile, 50% of players base playing broken Lightning Spear is somehow “fine”? Come on GGG, this is insane.

my ques is botting would be too easy and it would destroy the economy?

Do you really think bots just wander around blindly, clicking randomly on the screen hoping to pick up a Divine, completely incapable of pressing one Lightning Strike button to wipe the entire screen in a second? What kind of “impact” would that even have on the economy?

Has anyone noticed an actual improvement in the economy after the endless minion nerfs? Or is it that games without minions magically don’t have bots?

No logic, GGG just hates minion play styles, and with a passion. The only reason they did not outright removed them from POE 2 is because the backlash would have been too great. I believe their plan is to make the play style as cumbersome and unattractive as possible until no one plays it, then they can just delete minions from the game.

mark should play minions maybe they fix it with him suffering for a league