POE2 travelling around the center of the skill tree

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Zar_Wagash#5933 написал:

it's better to give any class the opportunity to start from any point or even from several. Ideally, make one common center from which you can move in several directions.

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karsey#2995 написал:

Saying you can't be a spellcasting mercenary is a failure of your imagination and determination, not a failure of the skill-tree. You are just mathematically incorrect here - the tree and skill points don't do as much for your character in poe2 as they do in poe1.

Regardless, you can easily reach enough nodes to scale your gear and attributes defensive and offensive numerical values in a large enough quantities from any starting location, for any play style, for any class.

This is a self-created issue that only exists because of some sort of efficiency-guilt which has arisen from a mental mistake of equating the poe2 tree with the poe1 tree.

They are very different and you should not treat them equally nor with the same importance.

In poe1 you get scaling AND flat values from attributes and the values of your gear affixes are not as wide in their numerical ranges. This constrained poe1 trees because if you wanted int and to scale int-related things, you absolutely needed to be in the int section of the tree. This is just not so in poe2.

In poe2, attributes only provide flat values. It's also the case that the flat values and % scaling values on gear have wider ranges than in poe1 - they go higher. It means in poe2, a larger portion of player power is coming from gear, and less is coming from the tree.

So when you need to go 12 extra points in poe2, it just doesn't matter. Go an extra 10 lol... You're not gimping your character - as long as you get the scaling and flat values you need from somewhere else, which you can, because the values can roll very high on gear. There's also nodes in every area that can benefit spellcasting and attacking as they will apply states that can be apply to both scenarios like %elemental dmg, "gain as added" or things like "damage against burning", "physical" dmg, etc.

This is the difference in the poe2 tree vs poe1 tree - in poe1 the tree is so impactful it dictates your character. In poe2, it's a bit reversed - your tree is dictated by your gear, skill / support gems, and playstyle choices.

This lack of "tree rigidity" is supposed to increase build diversity, but it is ironically also what makes the min-max, hyper-efficient "I can see the pathway to optimization" poe1 players dislike poe2. They see too many similar lanes and a poe1 mentality has them trying to pick a "best" - which just doesn't exist, because what's "best" will be dynamic and apparent when they are in game, choosing a point - not when they are in PoB, before leaguestart.

It sounds really good in theory because it takes the core of poe and cranks it up to 11 - everyone will have a relatively unique skill tree. The people who hate it are the ones who copy builds and/or can't/don't want to do the math on how to make the tree work for them based on their specific gear or the complexity + the need to be "perfectly optimal" just makes them avoid it all together because they can't immediately see the path forward, and assume there isn't one, or if there is, it's suboptimal.

Rid yourself of this poe1 tree mentality.

The gear is where the power is in poe2. Not the tree.

The poe2 tree is there to be abused and respecced continuously according to the wide range of impactful gear affixes bestowed upon you by RNGesus.

And besides - a fully optimized tree has never been required to defeat the content whether your going on or off-class in poe1 or poe2. Don't be so scared to make shitty builds lol, it's where all the good builds are born anyways.

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SaiyanZ#3112 написал:

I feel like POE2 requires too many points to travel around the center of the passive skill tree. From any point close to the center, it takes about 24 passive points to travel to the opposite side of the tree. This reduces the amount of experimentation and builds we can make significantly.

POE1 only required 12 points to get across to the opposite side and some of those 12 points were also decent notables instead of just attribute nodes. So POE2 travelling around the tree takes about twice as many skill points and you get less stuff while doing it.


At minimum, I think GGG should combine/remove a few of those travel nodes around the center. Removing one from each joint between the classes will reduce the travelling by 3 points which will be a start. It's easy to do without making any other changes to the skill tree.