is varunastra best in slot for most 1 hand melee builds?
" they should have done, all the crafting bases are based around the wep with the highest attack speed for a reason the rest just can't complete. I always felt the "highest" dps weapon should actually be the slowest base because less attack speed comes with its own penalty anyway, fast weapons feel far better to play with. I made this this league just to test out the new crafting options but realistically a variety of uniques are pretty good contenders especially with the 28% quality jazz, Ahns especially is stronger than ever if your dual wielding. |
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What do you guys think of good ol Soul Taker axe and not worrying about mana (reserving 100% and so on), so like either an extra aura or herald with it?
Not saying it's best in slot or anything. But how does it compare with those other mid-range uniques? I have a soft spot for the old thing |
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a foil has 25% crit multi implicit, you end up using a jewel slot to drop the 3rd frenzy charge which loses you 7% life and 3 damage rolls (more crit multi), double that for 1h+shield using 2 pacifisms, you lose the 12% more damage and 12% attack speed from the 3 frenzy charges and ud get about 70% more effectiveness from the added flat damage from rings, gloves, amulet and abyss jewels with a 2.0 aps weapon, along with it having higher base crit chance.
I think 500pdps foils would significantly outdamage ahns. I use a corsair sword on standard and a perfect rolled 28% quality ahns nearly halves my damage on pob when I switch out the sword and put in pacifisms. That build doesnt use abyssus, doesnt use steel rings, no flat phys on gloves. On pob if I reduce the dps of my corsair from 610pdps to 364pdps, which is lower pdps than the ahns, its still a significant damage upgrade over the ahns. Thats a corsair with lower speed, crit chance and multi than a foil. 100% increased Physical Damage Adds 25 to 45 Physical Damage +50 to Strength 26% increased Attack Speed 37% increased Critical Strike Chance +128 to Accuracy Rating those rolls are still beating an ahns, thats 146% phys ive taken off that swords prefixes and it still beats the ahns, even if I leave the 2 jewel slots where the pacifisms were blank its still an upgrade at 364 pdps. Thats why a 380 pdps ahns is 75 chaos and a top rolled corsair is 340 exalts right? If the ahns could compete in any way no one could get away with that price gap. A top end foil is even more expensive than a corsair. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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" No. Never. Varunastra is a noob trap. It is 300 pDPS 1h sword with low 5% crit and very low 1.3 APS. Ability to benefit from juicy weapon-specific notables is barely compensating it low stats and is obligating build to allocate more damage passives than build usually needs. It is almost always better to equip 1h 300 pDPS sword with 1.8+ APS and 6.5+ crit. Btw: best 1h weapon is multicrafted jewelled foil - 400+ pDPS with high APS and crit. retired from forum because of censorship and discrimination (also poe2 bad) Последняя редакция: DivineChampion#3546. Время: 28 дек. 2018 г., 10:51:20
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A 350 pDps ahns goes anywhere from 10 to 30c, you upgrade it with zero cost assuming you play the game and then you don't need a 3 T1 foil, which btw is only just barely on pair with a 350 pDps ahn.
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![]() My cleave marauder pob export: https://pastebin.com/YvyXeUGn And frenzy charges aren't valid unless you can keep them up in boss fights, which you can either do with bosses where it's irrelevant or you can't unless you are a raider, in which case I wonder would the build be better, than an abyssus jugg. Последняя редакция: krenderke#3861. Время: 28 дек. 2018 г., 11:09:15
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" Of course a 500 pdps weapon will significantly outperform Ahn's, literally nobody ever is arguing against that. My original post was in reference specifically to uniques. Nobody uses a shield with Ahn's, the main reason Ahn's is good is because of the benefits you get for having 0 frenzy charges, which are doubled with 2 swords. When you use 1 sword you're doubling the investment for half the benefit. I'm not even going to talk about using 2 pacifism's because it's such a stupid option. It also grants a flat 800 - 1,000 accuracy aside from it's 100% crit multi, which is very noticeable. Ahn's gains the most benefit from the Juggernaut ascendancy class, which is arguably the best in contention with Champion and Ascendant. As a Juggernaut, well rolled Ahn's outperform 450 pdps swords, and 400 pdps foils. As a non Juggernaut, they perform roughly as well if not only slightly better than equally rolled weapons. At least, according to the PoB's for all the character's I've run in the past few leagues. Unless you can keep your frenzy charges up on bosses, they're irrelevant. 12% more damage, but only against packs of monsters, is nothing. Obviously if you have 500 pdps foils and 50 exalts in gear to build a scion, Ahn's are shit in comparison. But we've gone from talking about how good uniques are relative to each other to "hey guys my mirror gear is better so these uniques suck". (It's a hyperbole, feel like if I don't mention that someone will quote it) |
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There are also some other one handed weapons that do some crazy stuff, notable ones being nebuloch and brutus' lead sprinkler. Those two can be outright ridiculous in terms of damage.
Then there's also poison if you really want to bother with a dead ailment, which has only 3 options, only 2 of which are considered ok these days: fossil crafted rare claws with 60% chance to deal 100% more damage with poison, wasp nest or bino's if you really want to go with a dagger (don't). There's also mjölner and cospri's, but those don't really fit the description of "one handed melee build". And then there's still HOWA, Touch of Anguish for frost blades, Soul Taker, White wind, and Grelwood shank or Beltimber blade for molten strike (or wasp nest if you wanna go chaos). There's a lot of better unique one handed weapons. You need a very specific build for varunastra to outperform these. It's pretty much a jack of all trades, master of none kinda weapon, while the others are fairly specialised and streamlined for certain builds. I make dumb builds, therefore I am.
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" ...I know you look at all this from a different perspective, but most of us drop a "6% life, 6% sword attack speed, +11 int" jewel, not a "7% life, 8% sword attack speed, double crit multi" jewel for the pacifism. ;) Double Ahn's might is a very cost-efficient way to enter high 6 digit dps territory on a juggernaut that is still doing tanky juggernaut business. Ahn's is not BiS, but you can pull this setup off as a "league starter" with very little investment (some of us end the league still wielding Ahn's), and you can kill shaper and his friends with them once you invest a bit. Just to show how we mortals gear our dudes, I have reassembled my old jugger, looked something like this:
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I balanced it a bit more on the defensive side, with grace instead of HoA+x, still doing pretty solid work for the investment. 3.5 build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2299519 Последняя редакция: Peterlerock#5171. Время: 28 дек. 2018 г., 16:54:06
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" Im responding to this... " a 500 pdps foil could sort of beat it if... well a 364 pdps corsair beats it on my currently specced sword chars none of whom meet those criteria, even though thats less pdps than the ahns Im testing it against and even when I leave the jewel slots where the pacifisms were blank. Its doing that purely based on being faster and having higher base crit chance. " really?.... " " " " " " " " you lot are funny. What I posted was absolutely relevant to the discussion as it stood and now ur all jumping in with ur ahns defence, oh but its good on a budget m8, if u only have the money u made from spending 2 hours in t1 maps as ur budget for ur endgame weapon u cant really beat it, were not talking about rare weapons of course no ones talking about whats best in slot in this thread about whats best in slot guvna. xD like I said... " " ya true enough, fair play, brutus and howa I guess can actually be legit best in slot weapons that ur not looking to upgrade. My previous statement was unfair to the unique 1hs, from a straight up onboard phys item perspective its true but theres a couple of interesting things u can properly build around. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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I think id make a pretty good skin, certainly dashing enough to survive first contact with the whamens long enough to get them into close combat range. Using goroshi as a skin alone puts it pretty far up the unique chain, a sword that can actually be used, in both levelling and endgame, then scaling all the way up to a bis skin transfer that exceeds all weapon slot mtx in a 100% perfected dream character setup? I think that pretty much puts in the top 2% of unique items in the game in terms of deserving its existence. A unique weapon should be like that I feel, they should rarely be the last word in their slot. I dont actually use an oni as a skin, its an original goddess unleashed from back when it was a fking nightmare to vendor recipe it. Thats the lengths we went to in order to get that skin transfer, wasnt some quickie poe.xyz whisper snatch using easymoney, we went whole hog and put together the full recipe personally. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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