RIP Gankstaboo w/ Deathvideo

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Lord_of_Error написал:

Reflected damage is just a % of the damage you dealt. If the enemy is shocked or cursed, you deal more damage and get more damage reflected back. Since the recent patch, shock effects on you will be applied to reflected damage. However, you won't shock yourself with reflected damage, even if you critted the monster. The reflected damage is not considered a crit, it only has higher damage numbers. Dunno if chance to shock from other sources (Static Blows etc.) can make you shock yourself, but crits won't.

@A few posts before this: You always get the full leech from your damage, no matter if the enemy has full life or only 1. You also can damage enemies that have 1 life and are under the influence of the "cannot die"-aura, something you can easily test yourself.

@Gankstaboo: RIP

hey thx for the clarification! that means he wudve survived w/ vaal pact:

-8.8% lifeleech @ lvl 20 lifeleech
-75 + 2 + 4 % resi (res cap + node + lvl20 purity) so 79 or 81% res
-23maxres mod --> 58 or 56% all res

means he takes 0.18*0.44*DMG = less than 8% of total dmg = less than his lifeleech%

Vaal Pact is not viable for life builds.

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tikitaki написал:

Vaal Pact is not viable for life builds.

if this isnt a troll you should elaborate on that.

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Quak3 написал:

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tikitaki написал:

Vaal Pact is not viable for life builds.

if this isnt a troll you should elaborate on that.

ES still regenerates to full after not taking damage for x amount of time.

Life has NO way to regenerate to full other than attacking or using Devouring Totem - and Devouring Totem is not enough, IMO. Devouring totem heals for something like 150 per corpse.

This is relevant because if you take ANY damage, you are stuck at that health until you regenerate. And this is bad because you take damage from reflect before you heal.

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Quak3 написал:

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tikitaki написал:

Vaal Pact is not viable for life builds.

if this isnt a troll you should elaborate on that.

it's really not that complicated.

the only reason to even BE a life build is for life flasks and our life regeneration.

take those away, and you might as well be ES since ES already doesn't benefit from flasks.

it's a passive that is skewed towards ES usage since the largest downside it has (no life flasks) only applies to life users.

it would be a horrifically inefficient to build a life based Vaal Pact build.

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Quak3 написал:

i think that neither curses (except crit weakness coz it affects your damage OUTPUT directly) have an effect on reflected damage nor that shocks get reflected.

Wrong.

Reflected damage is a function of damage that is dealt. Anything that amplifies damage that is dealt also amplifies damage that is reflected back.

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Quak3 написал:

also 4-6 times shock damage, thats patched long ago

Not 4-6 times shock damage, 4-6 times reflect damage. Say you're dealing 1000 elemental damage to a reflect mob, and have 79% max resistances yourself (which I assume Gank had at the moment, seeing as his ranger guide doesn't include Elemental Adaptation). Normally you would take 36 damage. But if it's cursed with 20/20 Elemental Weakness, it takes 1.49 times more damage, so it reflects 53. If you have minus 23% max resistance from the map mod, you take 111. If the enemy is shocked, the damage it takes is further increased from 40% to 120% depending on the particular situation which is impossible to assess by eye, but that will further increase the number from 155 to 244, which is, unsurprisingly, 4 to 6 (well, almost 7) times the original damage.

If he was dealing 5000 elemental damage per hit and hit just 5 mobs at a time he would deal 3875 damage to himself in the best case, and he was hitting like 8, and some of them very likely were at least double-stacked. Neither Vaal Pact nor anything else would have saved him.

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Quak3 написал:

i do a bit more than 1.5k spork tooltip dmg @ my lvl 77 w/ 6k es, for every monster i hit w/ spork i would receive 4500*.18*.23 = 186dmg thats ~3% of my ES, means i would get shocked by every monster i hit on an reflect map. thats not the case.

This doesn't make a bit of sense, sorry.

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moozooh написал:

Neither Vaal Pact nor anything else would have saved him.

Well, technically Vaal Pact could have saved him if he had an absurd life leech %.

Blood Rage comes to mind.

None of this is practical, but it's /technically/ true.

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moozooh написал:

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Quak3 написал:

i think that neither curses (except crit weakness coz it affects your damage OUTPUT directly) have an effect on reflected damage nor that shocks get reflected.

Wrong.

Reflected damage is a function of damage that is dealt. Anything that amplifies damage that is dealt also amplifies damage that is reflected back.

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If he was dealing 5000 elemental damage per hit and hit just 5 mobs at a time he would deal 3875 damage to himself in the best case, and he was hitting like 8, and some of them very likely were at least double-stacked. Neither Vaal Pact nor anything else would have saved him.

so reflect is a function of the damage dealt, but leech isnt? that sux.

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Quak3 написал:

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moozooh написал:

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Quak3 написал:

i think that neither curses (except crit weakness coz it affects your damage OUTPUT directly) have an effect on reflected damage nor that shocks get reflected.

Wrong.

Reflected damage is a function of damage that is dealt. Anything that amplifies damage that is dealt also amplifies damage that is reflected back.

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If he was dealing 5000 elemental damage per hit and hit just 5 mobs at a time he would deal 3875 damage to himself in the best case, and he was hitting like 8, and some of them very likely were at least double-stacked. Neither Vaal Pact nor anything else would have saved him.

so reflect is a function of the damage dealt, but leech isnt? that sux.

What moozooh means is he would be dead before the healing is applied since he would do enough damage to 1 shot himself.

vaal pact says "leech is instant". ggg has been quite thorough w/ the wording of stuff, so i believed instant is instant. isnt it?