RIP Gankstaboo w/ Deathvideo

It is instant, but if you kill yourself by 1 shotting the instant life leech isn't going to save you. As long as you don't 1 shot yourself, Vaal Pact will almost always save you.

Attack -> Apply Reflect -> Life leech instantly after

Well, the thing is you also need to leech at least as much damage as is dealt + the cost to cast the skill (regen won't help with VP, remember?). In this case the reflect+blood cost was about 2.5 times higher than leech rate (give or take), so it's still very unlikely that he'd survive, unless he would very precisely snipe the totem and/or wait until the shock stack fades.

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Quak3 написал:

First of all: RIP!

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moozooh написал:

Before this myth is perpetuated further, the map mods are: maze, totems, minus 23 max resistances, monster variety. It wasn't double reflect. The key mod here is minus max which made the players take roughly twice as much elemental damage.

It was a very unfortunate situation where enemies were shocked AND cursed with Ele Weakness, so they took and reflected four to six times the normal reflect damage in total while being unable to give any life back at that point.

Never go complacent, bros. :(

Come to Onslaught, Ganksta!

if it was like that every1 would die from any reflect (all the monsters i attack are at least single shocked). i think that neither curses (except crit weakness coz it affects your damage OUTPUT directly) have an effect on reflected damage nor that shocks get reflected.

from the patch notes:

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Modifiers to damage taken, such as Shock, will also affect reflected damage.

modifiers to damage TAKEN means if u are in a shock state, you will take more damage from reflected damage.

also 4-6 times shock damage, thats patched long ago, now its like this (from mechanics thread):

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Lightning damage
If you land a critical strike with an attack or spell that deals lightning damage, the enemy becomes Shocked. This can be stacked up to three times on one target. In this state, monsters or players take 40% additional damage per instance of Shock. Shock stacks additively with itself, for a maximum of 120% with a stack of three. The damage multiplier itself applies multiplicatively with your final damage, since it it increasing the damage the enemy takes, rather than the damage you deal.

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Shocked: 276ms per 1% max life dealt as lightning

i do a bit more than 1.5k spork tooltip dmg @ my lvl 77 w/ 6k es, for every monster i hit w/ spork i would receive 4500*.18*.23 = 186dmg thats ~3% of my ES, means i would get shocked by every monster i hit on an reflect map. thats not the case.

some things to make clear

shock on enemies and ew on enemies, as well as vulnerability / proj weakness on them will increase the reflected damage to you, since reflect is a portion of damage *dealt*, and this includes shocks and -res on enemies, and +%more physical / projectile dmg taken

any source of shock present on you will also increase the reflected damage

enfeeble on a monster has no effect on reflected damage

enfeeble on you will lower your own damage output, and thus reflect

vulnerability and projectile weakness on you will make you take more reflected physical / projectile damage

reflected lightning damage or static blows from you wont shock you though, and reflect can never crit, hence critical weakness on you will make no difference

shock / freeze / chill / stun is not calculated on ES if CI, its still calculated on your hidden max hp. and anything less than 300ms duration (not stuns) is ignored.

Very intersteting...



It's wonderful to watch things.. observe you know.


Now someone here is saying names about another player, the player has X+++++ more levels than he has.. jelly maybe ? He made the same thing with world first 100 level in PoE. He made a thread about it by the way. :O

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/388803

The World First level 100 guy got to #1 Onslaught, here :

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/415298

haha so he used RMT right ? AHAHAHA. And now ? Saying names to #3 HC. omg... you guys


I will say it's a different opinion than mine and we should live together.. i guess. I had to point out that i have a different point of the guys hating #3 HC. though!

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RIP. gotta put this video in TWITCH VIDS thread :D

What I notice, is that it's always softcore players laughing or passing judgement on HC deaths. People that die to dumber shit but just lose 15% and keep mapping, trying to sound like top tier builders and mappers.


It's hilarious. Truly.

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tikitaki написал:

Vaal Pact is not viable for life builds.

if this isnt a troll you should elaborate on that.

it's really not that complicated.

the only reason to even BE a life build is for life flasks and our life regeneration.

take those away, and you might as well be ES since ES already doesn't benefit from flasks.

it's a passive that is skewed towards ES usage since the largest downside it has (no life flasks) only applies to life users.

it would be a horrifically inefficient to build a life based Vaal Pact build.

the reason you choose life is because (a) marauder / templar / duelist have to travel far for ES and the bulk of life nodes / related passives that give life the edge over ES are located there, and also get a lot of 'misaligned' core stat (int) along the way (b) status ailments / stuns 'immunity' ... its why you see life witches / shadows but nearly never, ever ES marauder or duelist or ranger, maybe templar (like incinerate) because the build makes more sense to be ES (low life) and templar is somewhat closer to ES than all other 3.

its not specifically for regen or flasks, thats the dumbest thing i ever heard this week!

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Quak3 написал:

i do a bit more than 1.5k spork tooltip dmg @ my lvl 77 w/ 6k es, for every monster i hit w/ spork i would receive 4500*.18*.23 = 186dmg thats ~3% of my ES, means i would get shocked by every monster i hit on an reflect map. thats not the case.

shock is still calculated on life for CI or ES/life!

1.5k spork = tooltip dps or average raw lightning dmg? and why 4500? you are assuming you hit one mob with all 3 projectiles? but shock is calculated per projectile / per hit anyway!

that sentence of yours has many errors...

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moozooh написал:

Neither Vaal Pact nor anything else would have saved him.

Well, technically Vaal Pact could have saved him if he had an absurd life leech %.

Blood Rage comes to mind.

None of this is practical, but it's /technically/ true.

blood rage = physical leech, 80% of his dps is elemental, and blood rage = 4-6% life / second drained unless maxed chaos res which nearly no one has. and vaal pact = more life drained from blood magic cuz 0 regen

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tikitaki написал:

Vaal Pact is not viable for life builds.

if this isnt a troll you should elaborate on that.

ES still regenerates to full after not taking damage for x amount of time.

Life has NO way to regenerate to full other than attacking or using Devouring Totem - and Devouring Totem is not enough, IMO. Devouring totem heals for something like 150 per corpse.

This is relevant because if you take ANY damage, you are stuck at that health until you regenerate. And this is bad because you take damage from reflect before you heal.

first part --> you mean life with vaal pact? because flasks and regen >>> 3 second wait to regen ES, not to mention 3 second wait of not taking dmg at all

second part --> same with ES? and again you must mean life with VP?

Oh, and there was a post from Mark stating that the life leech applies before dmg taken with VP. I am 100% sure of this.

You absolutely do not need to be a marauder, duelist, or ranger to use a bow.

I have no idea why that would make sense.

If you are using Vaal Pact, you go ES. That's the standard, because you lose less. You already lose flasks.

Shadow would be a perfectly reasonable starting point if you wanted to do an ES bow build, you could zip down the far right side and scoop up all sorts of goodies. They've been done before.


I have never seen a viable Vaal Pact build in Hardcore based on a life pool.

If you can demonstrate such a thing, I'll give you some credit, if not, I'm just going to say you're wildly theorycrafting.

The only thing you caught me on is that yeah, blood rage is physical leech. Didn't occur to me.

Even so, the point stands, mucho leech would be needed.

Also: I think you're acid tripping, because if you're an ES Vaal Pact user, Int is not "MIS ALIGNED." Int gives you ES, which would be one your #1 priorities.

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tikitaki написал:

You absolutely do not need to be a marauder, duelist, or ranger to use a bow.

I have never seen a viable Vaal Pact build in Hardcore based on a life pool.

If you can demonstrate such a thing, I'll give you some credit, if not, I'm just going to say you're wildly theorycrafting.

Also: I think you're acid tripping, because if you're an ES Vaal Pact user, Int is not "MIS ALIGNED." Int gives you ES, which would be one your #1 priorities.

Reading comprehension / 10 (or just twisting what I said on purpose?)

I didnt say you need to be duelist / marauder / ranger to use bow, I said they are usually choosing life because ES is too far off, and int is usually misaligned with them

I said nothing about vaal pact and life users, and a viable Hardcore build as such. Just putting words in my mouth.

Again, reading comprehension. I never said int is misaligned with ES, lol

8000 hp for ranger seems really low.

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Nephalim написал:

8000 hp for ranger seems really low.

yeah my rand geared ranger has 20k hp and 1500 hp regen / sec


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