Soul Taker needs a nerf

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nynyny написал:

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iamstryker написал:

Ya right. Even God rares compared to Soul Taker would either be similar or still not quite as good because of the benefits of the no mana cost.

But even if that were true Soul Taker is still too good that people who are using it don't give a crap about a rare that may or may not be slightly better.

It still commits the sin that the devs of this very game know very well, Its that one handed weapon that EVERYONE wants.

boring boring boring

Because there are barely any people who are willing to pay 20+ Exalted for 20 more DPS. Its like that everywhere in life.

Barely anyone pays $1500 for a personally tailored suit because they dont value it enough and rather go with the $200 one H&M sells. The last % always cost more, its like that everywhere in life. And just because there are barely any people who arent willing to spend the money that doesnt mean its not worth it, its simply not worth it to THEM. But if you want perfection you wont get around crafting an item yourself because nearly any end game weapon can be exchanged by a perfectly crafted rare.

yeah you can get a 200$ suit and enter a fancy restaurant just like the 1500$ guy, but soultaker makes you get the dinner for FREE
you seem to be forgeting the no mana part (or its intentional, i dont know). who cares about few dps more/less, when dinner is free

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Kusqt написал:

Not sure if half thread is troll or poor English... anyways here it goes..

Soul Taker's DPS is mediocre, it is a BUILD ENABLING UNIQUE. It's good for high mana cost builds that were otherwise nigh impossible to do, frenzy, dominating blow, etc.

Sick of reading all these "Magic find is OP, X unique is OP, Y unique is too strong" threads.

You all have the same ability to farm as anyone else, get it yourself.

Mediocre dps is for you when something cannot be beat unless you pay 20+ exalted?

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Deceptionist написал:

I fucking knew you were that type of fool. I despise elitist-esque monkeys like you; there's nothing logical ever coming from your type, just a bunch of noise that only is attracted to riches to compensate for how opaque you are.

Money talks, huh? Well, it has nothing ever to say.

I simply think that if you cant be bothered to invest time and dedication you dont deserve certain things, like for example end game items.

You call it elitist, I call it common sense.

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Fluffhead написал:

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Deceptionist написал:

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nynyny написал:

So were back to the "give the poor man what he wants because hes a paying customer" debate?

I fucking knew you were that type of fool. I despise elitist-esque monkeys like you; there's nothing logical ever coming from your type, just a bunch of noise that only is attracted to riches to compensate for how opaque you are.

Money talks, huh? Well, it has nothing ever to say.

nynyny has died on all 4 of his onslaught characters and you aren't even ranked on a ladder. You both be quiet.

So I died on level 90 as the only self casting Shavronnes user on the whole ladder. What exactly does that say about me? That, because I died a week ago my opinion suddenly is irrelevant? I would rather say its relevant because I made it that far and decided to solve the problems self casting RF users have to overcome. I died to something I didnt take into consideration, something that probably happens once every 1000 maps.

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fgcewoud написал:

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iamstryker написал:

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fgcewoud написал:

It's not like melee is OP in this game. Why does melee need a nerf?

There's a big difference between a playstyle and one unique.

Solution to Melee vs. Ranged disparity = Everyone get a soul taker

Sounds horrible.

Wrong. Elemental based melee characters or builds that do not consume much mana on a 5L or 6L won't really take this. There are plenty of rares with more DPS on it. Having finally a decent unique for most dualwield builds is actually a relief.

Please come back when you have analyzed the endgame. We are talking about endgame here, not lv50 scrub-builds.

Free dinner ?

A president gets a free dinner.

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nynyny написал:

I simply think that if you cant be bothered to invest time and dedication you dont deserve certain things, like for example end game items.

You call it elitist, I call it common sense.

If you had common sense, you'd understand the difference between a reasonable road to success and a road that expects too much from you, for when you reach success, it's just a plate full of golden coal.

Ever heard of moderation? I am willing to bet you right now that you wouldn't go out there to climb Mt. Everest for $1000.

Don't even say you would with all that angst and self-righteous, self-amplifying pseudo-strength people love to come up with before they actually get to the point they actually have to do it - similar to a child telling themselves they can walk into a dark room or step into the scary pool - I know that you wouldn't simply because you're on here pretending to argue what is actually your personal opinions that have no respect for healthy human conditions; preaching people should work for their rewards, while sitting on their ass at their home - which is probably causing the silver spoon to poke at their sphincter - making up all the useless fucks in the world to support their preconceptions.

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Deceptionist написал:

You may not see it, thousands of people may not even see it, but beneath your words is your guilty consciousness backfiring endlessly through the silent folds of your ignorant hyperbole.

I like that you called someone else out for hyperbole.

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reboticon написал:

I like that you called someone else out for hyperbole.

Maybe I should've typed "hyperbullshit" instead.

lol ya the soul taker is pretty op

Soul Taker to me is a good representation of a weapon that 'fixes' an issue in the game that has been around for a while and that is the mana cost of melee skills for melee. Or rather, more specifically, the sustainability of melee skills and not being slaved into either the Blood Magic passive, or the Blood Magic gem, which is especially true for life builds. It does also bring in the 'problem' of being able to run more auras, but that's a much bigger issue than just this axe, though it is certainly plays a factor. Aside from that, the rest of the axe isn't really anything super special and taking away the mana 'uniqueness' to it and it's little more than a strong one-hander that could get trumped by rares in the long run.

Where it really shines is, again, allowing melee to free of the shackles of the (IMHO) still overly pricy BM gem in terms of life cost, and give them much more flexibility in terms of abilities. That and being able to take advantage of a 6L like this one that I have:



And able to swap a LL gem in now and then when needed. Otherwise, as it stands right now Soul Taker is certainly 'OP', and fixing mana for melee would be a big step in making it less OP and just an option to use. But again, as I said, these problems are multi-pronged and fixes be they buffs or nerfs where ever needed, should be done carefully.