Is it safe to say that this is the "MMO" for me

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skinnay написал:

K, I looked it up

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_game

MMORPGs are distinguished from single-player or small multi-player online RPGs by the number of players, and by the game's persistent world (usually hosted by the game's publisher), which continues to exist and evolve while the player is offline and away from the game.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_world

I didn't say MMORPG's, I said MMO's/MMOG's.

Again, you're misinterpreting that MMO is only MMORPG, which it does not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game


This is where you should be looking.

PoE is not a MMO.

Its normal Online RPG like Diablo or Guild Wars 1.

Marvel Heroes have open world public zones (like MMORPGs) and its not MMO either.

Stop spreading bullshit.

If games like PoE and D3 (lack of singleplayer offline component) are MMOs is for example Enemy Territory MMO too or DayZ?

Coop/Lobby games =/= MMO. There is nothing MASSIVE here.

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Elynole написал:

Read Gamasutra, GameDev, or any other well known game development website and SC would be classed as an MMORTS.

Checked Gamasutra. Read an article about SC2, and one about PoE. Neither made any reference to them being MMOs.

Checked Gamedev. Found one reference to PoE being an MMO, which was made as a post by some random person. Aside from that, I have never even heard of this site after over 15 years of playing online games, and the language used by these people is completely different from 99% of game related sites.

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Elynole написал:

Just because you're not running around collecting quests from NPC's with Exclamation points on them doesn't mean that it's not an MMO.

Just because a game is online and is played by thousands of players doesn't mean that it's an MMO.

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Elynole написал:

MMO is strictly defined as a game where thousands of people play online simultaneously...look it up.

That is not its strict definition at all. The wiki YOU linked in another post makes that clear. It isn't that simple.

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Elynole написал:

If YOU did some research you'd see that a good amount of the industry defines these as MMOFPS/MMORPG/MMORTS etc.

This is completely false. Only you and your development sites no one reads suggest this. Blizzard does not consider Starcraft to be an MMO. The entire gaming news industry does not consider it an MMO. 99.9% of the players do not consider it an MMO. GGG, the company you supported with a thousand dollars, does not label PoE as an MMO. Wiki doesn't list either of them as MMOs.

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Elynole написал:

This is why Path of Exile, and many other non-standard genre MMOG's are featured on various websites such as MMOHut, MMORPG.com, etc.

That is not at all why non MMOs are featured. Like most any game related site, they branched out to everything they could to increase the sites traffic and profitability. Get a grip.

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Elynole написал:

Again, you're misinterpreting that MMO is only MMORPG, which it does not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game

This is where you should be looking.

"Still others will only use one part of the universe at any time. For example, Tribes (which is not an MMOG)"

You linked to something as proof that completely disproved everything you have been saying. Tribes and Starcraft are the same kind of online game, and according to Wiki, Tribes is not an MMOG. It doesn't call Starcraft an MMO on its page.

Theres also multiple wiki lists of types of MMOs, and none of them list any Starcraft game, or Path of Exile.

So basically, you took one part of what defines an MMO, and applied it to damn near every video game that is online and played by lots of people. Its simply wrong, and nearly everyone in gaming disagrees with you, as does the evidence you linked.

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Kabraxis написал:

Its normal Online RPG like Diablo or Guild Wars 1.

You're right on Diablo, but Guild Wars 1 is in fact an MMO. Its a completely different type of game then Diablo and PoE, and is officially listed on MMO lists. Its even won MMO awards over the years.

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Magnicon2 написал:

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Kabraxis написал:

Its normal Online RPG like Diablo or Guild Wars 1.

You're right on Diablo, but Guild Wars 1 is in fact an MMO. Its a completely different type of game then Diablo and PoE, and is officially listed on MMO lists. Its even won MMO awards over the years.

Actually, speaking - GW1 isn't much different than PoE. It was played by the masses, it was instanced, you could group or pvp in it, there was an immerssive ever-changing economy and a complete RPG storyline.

Btw, those sites that I listed are used to gain prospects for many of the top game development companies, they have postings and listings on there quite frequently and there are a fair amount of professional game developers that frequent those sites. There are actually some really good articles on Gamasutra from industry professionals.

So far, I've yet to hear anything that makes it to where Massively Multiplayer Online Games can't be considered those that are 1) Played by the masses 2) Online 3) Games. That'd be the definition of the word.

At any rate, considering that you've seemingly never heard of Gamasutra or GameDev for that mantter, I'll lay this to rest as it'd be like arguing philosophy to an infant. Consumers in the video game market have a very skewed interpretation of what makes an MMOG an MMOG, even when it's defined directly in front of them. Everything has to be like WoW these days to be called an MMO it seems.

enough of this stupid topic.

some shit heads biting hard and its getting fucking annoying.

lock this dumb shit please.

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Elynole написал:

At any rate, considering that you've seemingly never heard of Gamasutra or GameDev for that mantter, I'll lay this to rest as it'd be like arguing philosophy to an infant. Consumers in the video game market have a very skewed interpretation of what makes an MMOG an MMOG, even when it's defined directly in front of them. Everything has to be like WoW these days to be called an MMO it seems.

I didn't say that I never heard of Gamasutra.

The fact of the matter is that everything outside of two sites you mentioned completely contradict what you are saying, including the wiki page you linked. Sadly, but not surprisingly, your answer to that is to dismiss my points.(misreading what i said to boot)

Its also particularly sad that you're suggesting consumers have skewed interpretations when their interpretations are identical to the actual development companies that are making the games, including GGG.

You made a statement that contradicts almost everyone in gaming, provided no proof to support it, provided one link that disproves your own point on multiple pages, and are now dismissing the masses on both sides.

Pathetic.

P.S. I checked the site in your signature, ARPGamer. Not only did I not find a reference to PoE being an MMO, but there was a reference that differentiates between online ARPGs, and MMOARPGs. Shocking.

Magnicon2

watch your fucking attitude man

the way you talk to Elynole is very disrespectful.

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Magnicon2 написал:

I didn't say that I never heard of Gamasutra.

The fact of the matter is that everything outside of two sites you mentioned completely contradict what you are saying, including the wiki page you linked. Sadly, but not surprisingly, your answer to that is to dismiss my points.(misreading what i said to boot)

Its also particularly sad that you're suggesting consumers have skewed interpretations when their interpretations are identical to the actual development companies that are making the games, including GGG.

You made a statement that contradicts almost everyone in gaming, provided no proof to support it, provided one link that disproves your own point on multiple pages, and are now dismissing the masses on both sides.

Pathetic.

P.S. I checked the site in your signature, ARPGamer. Not only did I not find a reference to PoE being an MMO, but there was a reference that differentiates between online ARPGs, and MMOARPGs. Shocking.

Wiki pages not listing the full MMOG listing isn't proof of anything, it gave examples. The definition of such is at the very top of the page...ya know, the first paragraph. Yea, that one.

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A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet. Many games have at least one persistent world, however others just have large numbers of players competing at once in one form or another without any lasting effect to the world at all. These games can be played on any platform it, be it the personal computer, a game console such as the internet capable PSP, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Nintendo DS, PS Vita or Wii, or mobile devices and smartphones based on such operating systems as Android, iOS and Windows Phone.
MMOGs can enable players to cooperate and compete with each other on a large scale, and sometimes to interact meaningfully with people around the world. They include a variety of gameplay types, representing many video game genres.

I'd say that fits PoE pretty well, as well as Starcraft, as well as many other games. The term MMO came around after Text-Based MUD's were popular - the average Text-based MUD that was a pretty active community would have anywhere from 100-300 players on it at any given time. Some of them, like Age of Thrones MUD or Wheel of Time could have upwards of a thousand or so, but that was in their prime. When games like Meridian 59 came out, where a very large number(hence massively) started populating - the term was given because a Multi-User Dungeon didn't fit the scale of online players interacting with each other at the same time.

Thus, you have MMO, and since many of those games were RPG's at the beginning MMORPG was born. MMO just signifies the magnitude of players and their interactions within one combined world, the sub-genre added to the MMO part would signify what "type" of game it is. It's why you have many different MMO's.

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Dudebag написал:

Magnicon2

watch your fucking attitude man

the way you talk to Elynole is very disrespectful.

And you are? His lawyer? ROTFL

There is nothing disrespectful in Magnicon2 posts.

LOL you owe me a coffee because is spit it on my monitor when i read this.

As most pointed out so far, there is nothing persistent in this game except what you take with you. It is, in many ways, the opposite of an MMO, since there is nothing common to any two instances.