Is that a gun in your Pocket? PISTOLS

In our real world, firearms replaced bows. Smaller faster projectiles have the potential for higher KE, leading to more damage.

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Side thought: I was thinking about warhammer and ogre army carrying cannons, omg that would be so cool to see a mara carrying a big cannon( high str required, a little dex, implicit aoe effect, very slow rate of fire), but I know it wouldn't fit in this game.

oblivous_zero: Incentive? Not all wraeclastians use magic, some use bows and probably if had a chance crossbows and guns also.

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In addition, those saying that its impossible to reload two one-handed crossbows or two flintlock pistols - but it's all magical. How else are able to shoot fireballs from a wand, or shoot multiple lightning charged arrows from a bow at a ROF of 3 per second?

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mouhanad написал:

For those who think they don't fit in wraeclast, I'll point you to the Scepter of God. Both the cage were you free the scion and the top of the scepter where you fight Dominus have wires and electricity and machines which are very reminiscent of the pseudo-Victorian technology in Dishonered which does indeed have pistols.

Just because one thing exists does not necessitate another to exist.

This is a world with magic, and magic is capable of laying much more waste than a gun. Not only would magic remove the necessity and thought of a weapon like a pistol, but of explosives as well.

Normally magic is only accessible to a select few of higher thought or of richer birth, but in the world of Wraeclast, all magic is equally accessible to all due to the skill gem system.

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mouhanad написал:

I have noticed some people voicing their opinion multiple times to pad the results in their favor. Tsk Tsk, no cheating.

Do you mean people posting multiple times?

If so, that isn't cheating, and everyone can easily tell who the poster is.

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mouhanad написал:

Obviously as it has been proven in this thread, the world in which wraeclast exists has the technological advancement necessary for flintlock pistols as evidenced by the generators, electrical barriers, elevators, and other steam punkish machinery in the scepter of God.

The question is not whether they fit or exist in wraeclast becuase they certainly do. Question is when will we see them implemented in the skill tree?

Again, just because one thing exists doesn't necessitate another.

Also, you are pushing guns into Wraeclast instead of asking if they fit.

If guns so very well fit in Wraeclast, why has GGG not put them in from day one? Oh, that's because they do not fit into such a fantasy world.

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MasTheLimit написал:

Yes, but YOU are using examples of a world where magic DOESN'T exist and applying that logical progression of technology on a world where is DOES.

As stated by MaxTheLimit, this is a world that has magic available to it. Not only does it have magic, but it is equally available to all people inside it.

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mouhanad написал:

Ah but by that strain of logic, no one would use melee weapons as they would be so inferior to spells. Except as we can see, even an elite regiment like the Blackguards rely mostly on sword and board.

Then by that same logic, all bosses that do not always use spells are weak and are stupid.

However, they do not require the use of spells because they have a ton of hit points, allowing them to use those non-spells.

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1-Not everyone is equally attuned to the use of thaumaturgy.
2-People are attuned to casting thaumaturgy in different ways. This is evidenced by the skill tree. For example the same person may cast the same spell (barrage) using a wand and bow with similar stats but achieve different results based on his attunement to the channeling device.

Everyone is equally attuned to magic, but not by the skill tree.

In case you haven't noticed, spells are obtained by skill gems. The passive skill tree only allows each person to augment spells or various types of spells.

Since this is a game oriented towards fun and various classes, not everyone can be near spells, not everyone can be near life, and not everyone can be near melee damage.

You are using a video game's passive skill tree to a real world (or fantasy world in this case), as a means to reason. This shouldn't be done.

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3- Some people may not be able handle the use of thaumaturgical skills… this might explain why a character like Tarkleigh is all talk and no walk. Some may be adversely affected by their use like what happened to Merviel after wearing the thaumaturgical amulet that was gifted to her by Daresso. Some people may even be fatally allergic to thaumatergy!

...and that is their misfortune.

Some people are against guns in the real world, so much so that they try to remove them from other's possession.

So, does this mean that we can have magic if we are against guns in the real world?

Bad logic is bad logic.

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4- Considering that Thaumatergy have been at the heart of multiple Cataclysmic events that brought down several civilizations, it is highly possible that there are political or religious sanctions regarding the use of thaumatergical skills. There might be a puritan movement for example that frowns upon the use of thaumaturgy or favors devices that consume less thaumatergical energy than others. Pistols for example may be based on pure combustable gunpowerder or alternatively utilize a mixture of conventional gunpowder and thaumatergical gems which would make it a more viable option based on personal attunement/beliefs.

Yes, and this would be exactly like a gun permit.

Some magic cast from much stronger mages would be equivalent to a nuclear bomb, while others would only be capable of simple pyrotechnics due to their age and understanding.

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And just because certain thaumatergical channeling devices capable of shooting projectiles exist, such as bows and wand, that doesn’t preclude the creation of pistols because each channeling device has particular limitations. For example a wand can cast power siphon but a bow cannot. A bow on the other hand cast cast a poison arrow while a wand cannot.
So unlike in this world, the driving force behind invention of pistols is not how to cast projectiles and which device is most efficient? The question, however, is what kind of thaumatergical skills this particular device may help me to channel? And does this device make a particular skill accessible to people to whom it previously weren't?

So basically in the world of Wraeclast, Invention of pistols would stem from two needs:
1- To utilize skills that cannot be channeled by other means such as wands or bows.
2- To provide an alternative channeling device to people who are not thaumatergically attuned (or shun) existing devices such as bows and wands.

But why guns?

Again, if you compare a gun to a wand, a wand can simply be flung around to cast spells while a gun would require you to reload it or expend more magical power to magically reload it.

From that alone, there would be no reason to use a gun.

The only reason anyone would construct a gun would be to avoid the use of magic, and that reason alone.

I forget who proposed it first but I like Srotie's idea of having the look gated behind an MTX on a Bow rather than a new weapon base. The more I think about the more I'm kinda digging on the idea, but it would really depend on how it looked and it would have to be thematically fitting to Wraeclast.

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TheWretch написал:

I forget who proposed it first but I like Srotie's idea of having the look gated behind an MTX on a Bow rather than a new weapon base. The more I think about the more I'm kinda digging on the idea, but it would really depend on how it looked and it would have to be thematically fitting to Wraeclast.

I will love to see a chinese crossbow as a MTX for a death bow. xD

A bump for the right to bear arms... Except for the Templar, for him it is the right to bare legs :)

I have faith in GGG on this topic but just in case...

No guns GGG!

The shadow has his mines
The Ranger has her traps
The witch has her minions
The Marauder has his totems
The Scion has her assets...

The swashbuckling duelist needs a trusty flintlock pistol to compliment his fancy swordplay.

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mouhanad написал:

A bump for the right to bear arms... Except for the Templar, for him it is the right to bare legs :)

Agreed, hahahahaha.