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stahlstorm написал:
Only a thief would argue against someone puting locks on their front door.
And as earlier mentioned, if this thievery is going to be sanctioned by the devs atleast let us kill the thiefs..
I cannot steal something from you that you do not own.
The fact that we don't own anything even though we all fought in the same party is just one of many reasons why this system is flawed.
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Сообщениеtinghshi#722630 янв. 2013 г., 16:46:36
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I am sad to say to say it but GGG said they wanted to make a game that they wanted to play so stop trying to change their vision to whatever utopia that you want.
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СообщениеDrMucas#310230 янв. 2013 г., 16:47:00
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yastrux написал:
How come the markets will flood when everybodys getting that loot anyway, its just that ninjas pick up more and slower / fairer players pick up less. Its the same quantity that would be shared with a different loot option.
Im for options. Options are never bad. Basis of this game is to have options, considering playstyles, builds, itemizing. Why is this option so wrong then ?
There is no way to ninja or steal in this game.
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KorganBloodaxe написал:
2. We already had this: If you take away an item that had my name on it. I call you Ninja. I can also call you a-hole or inconsiderate bastard if you prefer
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Tandimonium написал:
2) That is fine, we will just continue to call you slow.
This is getting recursive.
We call you ninja when you take stuff that had our name on. Stating that the item was never ours will not change the label we have for you.
I beat cruel, ruthless and merciless and all I got were some maps.
XBone: the beginning of the end.
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cronosofavery написал:
Add a party option. Problem Solved.
Seriously it's that simple. In fact add 3 options.
1. FFA CUTTHROAT! NO TIMER. IT DROPS YOU GRAB GL!
2. Timer. Leave it exactly as it is.
3. Your Drops are Your Drops. If someone wants it you can CTRL click to unlock that loot on the ground. or make them pick it up and redrop it to unlock it.
There is literally NO arguement against this option besides this one.
I WANT YOU TO PLAY "MY" GAME THE WAY I "WANT" YOU TO PLAY IT!
Well, guess what. Fuck you. Everyone loves this game. It's Amazing, and it deserves a flourishing population of people new generation gamers and old generation gamers.
This game deserves to be played, now, and for years to come.
That WILL happen with or without this change, but it will absolutely not flourish to the potential it could and deserves to without this change.
I don't care how much you donated, I care how many years you played D2, I don't care how Pro/Hardcore/Anti-Carebear you are. That is YOUR problem. You shouldn't dictate how what seems to be a very large population of players want to enjoy themselves.
Get over it.
Make the change GGG, it's what is best for the game and what is best for the community.
Please don't regurgetate the same thing that has been said 10 times in this thread. We don't want to have to explain AGAIN why that won't work. If you need an answer I am sure it can be found stated earlier.
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СообщениеTandimonium#315030 янв. 2013 г., 16:48:23
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stahlstorm написал:
Only a thief would argue against someone puting locks on their front door.
And as earlier mentioned, if this thievery is going to be sanctioned by the devs atleast let us kill the thiefs..
I cannot steal something from you that you do not own.
Tandi, I hope you realize four things:
1) Nothing is perfect. There's no need to defend every single suggestion as if it would completely ruin the game. Without change, there is no improvement.
2) This is still a beta. Things can (and will) continue to change, just as they have throughout the game's development.
3) It's possible to like something overall without liking every single detail. I love my dog, but don't like when he goes digging for snacks in the cats' litter box. PoE is a great game in it's current incarnation, so there's no need to refer people back to D3 or other games. If they wanted to play those, they would be.
4) It's silly to base arguments around semantics. It's like arguing the difference between loaning someone money and giving it to them with a promise that they will repay you. For all intents and purposes, if an item drops and can be picked up by me (and only me), that item is mine until the timer is up and it is released to FFA rules. Saying that "the developers said it's not yours" doesn't mean a thing. Would it make you happier if we said the item is temporarily "effectively" yours until the timer runs out?
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Сообщениеpotaco#519230 янв. 2013 г., 16:48:32
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So sad, too bad.
Pay attention. Its only "yours" for 3 seconds.
"Wait, what did I just drink?" - Socrates
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Сообщениеmrmath#149330 янв. 2013 г., 16:49:00
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KorganBloodaxe написал:
/sigh
1) Wikipedia did not make this game. Try again.
2) You shouldn't get mad because your slow and lose out on loot that was made easy for you to get.
3) The question asked in your #4 did not require facts. I answered with a no, that is a fact, and therefore your point is...pointless.
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СообщениеTandimonium#315030 янв. 2013 г., 16:50:49
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yastrux написал:
How come the markets will flood when everybodys getting that loot anyway, its just that ninjas pick up more and slower / fairer players pick up less. Its the same quantity that would be shared with a different loot option.
Im for options. Options are never bad. Basis of this game is to have options, considering playstyles, builds, itemizing. Why is this option so wrong then ?
There is no way to ninja or steal in this game.
lol what ? hello ostrich, didnt recognize you. tell me how it is with your head in the sand ?
if the purpose of your grouping with another player is to wait for their milisec timer with their name on it to expire so you could pick up their item or run before anybody else to open chests, dont get involved in fighting because whats the point when you get loot better simply standing around and looking at timers and what dropped what.. then we have a very different conception of what is enjoyable in a game.
and still, you and your ilk dont even want to give me the option to at least make the game more group friendly and fairer.
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Сообщениеyastrux#701030 янв. 2013 г., 16:50:59
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DrMucas написал:
I am sad to say to say it but GGG said they wanted to make a game that they wanted to play so stop trying to change their vision to whatever utopia that you want.
Indeed, but thats an issue of intent.
As long as the intent remains constant, the systems around it don't matter that much.
Changing "timer" to "item lock" for example, doesn't really change all that much. It only makes a small % of items that roll with your name on them, remain yours instead of FFA.
GGG said they don't want instanced loot because if you can't see what other players are seeing, you feel like you're in your own bubble, and I agree with that. However changing the timer like I suggested doesn't impede on that at all, therefore it doesn't conflict with GGG's vision of the game.
So back to intent, their intent would remain the same, just the mechanics change a little.
Последняя редакция: Zenn3k#6008. Время: 30 янв. 2013 г., 16:55:08
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СообщениеZenn3k#600830 янв. 2013 г., 16:53:10
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yastrux написал:
How come the markets will flood when everybodys getting that loot anyway, its just that ninjas pick up more and slower / fairer players pick up less. Its the same quantity that would be shared with a different loot option.
Im for options. Options are never bad. Basis of this game is to have options, considering playstyles, builds, itemizing. Why is this option so wrong then ?
There is no way to ninja or steal in this game.
lol what ? hello ostrich, didnt recognize you. tell me how it is with your head in the sand ?
if the purpose of your grouping with another player is to wait for their milisec timer with their name on it to expire so you could pick up their item or run before anybody else to open chests, dont get involved in fighting because whats the point when you get loot better simply standing around and looking at timers and what dropped what.. then we have a very different conception of what is enjoyable in a game.
and still, you and your ilk dont even want to give me the option to at least make the game more group friendly and fairer.
Don't forget the part about calling us "greedy" for wanting some of the drops that were temporarily allocated to us but taken by them (in addition to their own items that they definitely wouldn't dare to miss out on).
edit: whoops, sorry... that should be "temporarily allocated to us"
Последняя редакция: potaco#5192. Время: 30 янв. 2013 г., 16:54:37
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Сообщениеpotaco#519230 янв. 2013 г., 16:53:17
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