With new flask changes; Surgeon's mod should be removed

Flasks are now crazy powerful, and I think the 1.3.1 change was good. But the synergy with the Surgeon's mod (which was already OP) is broken as hell. I suggest GGG consider removing Surgeon's entirely from the game.

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tackle70 написал:

Flasks are now crazy powerful, and I think the 1.3.1 change was good. But the synergy with the Surgeon's mod (which was already OP) is broken as hell. I suggest GGG consider removing Surgeon's entirely from the game.

Yep. Kind silly that crit builds can now have almost permanent res buff and immunity to bleed/freeze/burn.

Actually, we need a non-crit counterpart to surgeon's.

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JohnNamikaze написал:

...but you still have to kill stuff. :\

y and that's the problem.

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kruemel2222 написал:

Actually, we need a non-crit counterpart to surgeon's.

I think this is a better idea.

Stun seems to be quite well suited to facilitate this.

Current game mechanics prevent crits that freeze/shatter from also stunning (even if all the criteria for a stun to occur is fulfilled), this would inhibit crit builds from being able to take advantage of both/either. Unfortunately the Unwavering map mod exists :(
(The Magnate: ultimate flask belt)

Ultimately, I suppose it depends on how powerful GGG want/intend flasks to be. With enough clear speed the surgeons affix is largely inconsequential.

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kruemel2222 написал:

Actually, we need a non-crit counterpart to surgeon's.

I agree. Also would like to see Surgeon's get a downside added ("crits refill one charge; 50% increased Charges used" or "X% chance to refill charge on crit") at the same time, but primarily I would just like to see some way for non-crit to get infinitely refilling flasks without enemies dying.

The last time this was brought up in a "let's talk about surgeon's" megathread, my suggestion was to add a flask prefix with "refills X charge(s) every Y second(s)". It's slower than surgeon's, but at times superior to surgeon's in that it fills up out of combat.

"Charge on stun" is okay, but feels like it would potentially be just as problematic as "charge on crit".

I'm sure there's at least one good novel solution to be had. The problem doesn't feel unsolvable.

I don't really think it's as much of a problem as people are making it out to be. Leave it alone, imo.

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Ashen_Shugar_IV написал:

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kruemel2222 написал:

Actually, we need a non-crit counterpart to surgeon's.

I think this is a better idea.

Stun seems to be quite well suited to facilitate this.

Current game mechanics prevent crits that freeze/shatter from also stunning (even if all the criteria for a stun to occur is fulfilled), this would inhibit crit builds from being able to take advantage of both/either. Unfortunately the Unwavering map mod exists :(
(The Magnate: ultimate flask belt)

Ultimately, I suppose it depends on how powerful GGG want/intend flasks to be. With enough clear speed the surgeons affix is largely inconsequential.

Just throwing this out there - surgeons is not OP in clearing for obvious reasons. Surgeons is OP because perma-flasks in boss fights - whereas everyone else has to wait for add spawns (which may or may not be sufficient to give you enough charges)

Gain flask charge on stun however...sounds interesting. Most Resolute Technique characters do tend to stun a lot...it bears discussion.

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AlbinosaurusRex написал:

I don't really think it's as much of a problem as people are making it out to be. Leave it alone, imo.

I think it's a bigger problem than you think it is. And I don't think I can make you recognize just how much of a bigger problem I think it is.

Cause right now - the disparity between a crit and a non-crit character just because of surgeon's permaflasking is pretty colossal.