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geniusbean написал:
I'm just going to share my $.02 about this whole thing. I don't post often about current happenings because I understand how insignificant my opinion is. I'm not naive.
But anyway, I don't mind the delays. I don't mind the closed beta. I don't mind paid beta access. I don't mind "high profile"(very few of them are any good; deserving)streamers getting preferential treatment. I don't mind keys being sold for money.
What I do mind, however, is all of the new content being publicized and spoiled before everyone can play it. And not just a few days, or weeks, in advance, but literally months. I'm sure GGG understands the concept of hype and how important it is to financial success, but I can tell you now that by the time Act 4 is actually released, all that hype will be gone(my hype is already wavering). This is my only gripe. I don't want new content spoiled for me by streamers.
For a company that prides itself on "ethical" microtransactions, this is pretty shady.
there is NOTHING shady about it, and it's insulting to hear you and others claim there is.
If I don't get into the beta, I'm going to do my due diligence and NOT go out of my way to learn about act 4. It's really easy, don't read about it, don't watch streamers playing it. Just don't scratch that itch. it requires very little will power.
When I play act 4, through the beta or after release, I will know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about it, save what I read in Chris' initial post/link about the release.
It's YOUR choice whether you watch videos about it, read about it etc.
If you/others can't handle not looking into it (i.e. making an effort to do so... whereas NOT learning about it, takes ZERO effort), you players in question have no one to blaim but yourselves.
For a company that's made a F2P game for the masses and put countless hours of effort it into, don't you think it's _____ rude for players to throw around words like "shady, I'm not going to donate because of this, angry, etc... (the list is a mile long)
This isn't just towards you genius and I'm hoping you can forgive my rant. Some people need to take a second, or a minute, to realise just "how much" GGG have given us... for NOTHING. You can play all the content without given them a cent. Yet there are still people who hide behind there monitors with a sense of entitlement that blows the mind.
We should all be thankful.<---period
I need to listen to what my grandmother used to tell me (r.i.p.):
If you have nothing nice to say, then don't say anything at all.
rant over
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СообщениеJosephoenix#237913 апр. 2015 г., 13:13:29
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For everyone saying that new players won't be able to give very good feedback...I'm guessing very few of the people who are THAT new will even be paying enough attention to come to this page, read about the beta, and sign up for it in the first place. Some will, obviously, but their numbers will be pretty small compared to the more experienced and active players.
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СообщениеHodari#757413 апр. 2015 г., 13:15:59
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Every five minutes, the timer will select a new account from the signed up pool and will grant it access to the Beta.
B-but... how big will the initial pool be? Or are the accounts being drawn as we speak?
http://i.imgur.com/8fqgfAh.png
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Сообщениеrinleezwins#015113 апр. 2015 г., 13:17:50
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I am happy to NOT join beta so i finally got an excuse to play my broken Scold builds on SC :P
★ IGN: Pinockio_the_Transexual or PM me on forums ★
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СообщениеStarball#248913 апр. 2015 г., 13:22:14
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geniusbean написал:
I'm just going to share my $.02 about this whole thing. I don't post often about current happenings because I understand how insignificant my opinion is. I'm not naive.
But anyway, I don't mind the delays. I don't mind the closed beta. I don't mind paid beta access. I don't mind "high profile"(very few of them are any good; deserving)streamers getting preferential treatment. I don't mind keys being sold for money.
What I do mind, however, is all of the new content being publicized and spoiled before everyone can play it. And not just a few days, or weeks, in advance, but literally months. I'm sure GGG understands the concept of hype and how important it is to financial success, but I can tell you now that by the time Act 4 is actually released, all that hype will be gone(my hype is already wavering). This is my only gripe. I don't want new content spoiled for me by streamers.
For a company that prides itself on "ethical" microtransactions, this is pretty shady.
Hate this concept so damn much. Big news tour, building ultra hype and then you can't play and watch this streamers play it.
WTF do they think really? I would love to watch some 50min interview of the staff explaining how this system is the most superior to choose. We want answers.
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СообщениеWarester#579913 апр. 2015 г., 13:28:12
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Archwizard написал:
Do you remember when CB ended and GGG completely changed the skill tree, skills, and progression to the point CB practically didn't mean anything and we were left with OB full of imbalanced skills and builds? And then when OB finished, GGG again completely changed the skill tree, skills, mobs, mechanics, again making the official release unbalanced, with grossly overpowered builds and one shot mobs?
PoE doesn't need beta, it won't serve any purpose. Also, based on how Alpha testers peformed during CB and OB, I don't lay many hopes 2.0 will be published in decent state.
First CB was different, because the community was small and people missing on content weren't pertubed because they didn't know what they are missing. We now have a much larger community, with people being aware what tehy are missing if they don't get into beta.
And I fully expect streamers feedback to be 'the game is too easy, i can get to lvl 95 just short of 17 days of 10h per day. You should make it harder'.
GGG dropped the ball with this one, they hyped the release, people were convienced we were getting new exp in May, just to find out it will be god knows when and until then if you dont get into beta, you'll be able to read/watch other people playing and having fun.
I have to agree with you -> another streaming flameblasterino till lv95 is not needed!!! I hope they actually test it properly (new skills, new mechanics) and not the usual race to the top of that ladder (which GGG hopefully will not implement in the beta - some of them see ladder and go into speedmode and not into testing mode) and then you could also use an average joe playing 4-5h a day.
The communication from GGG was this time "semi-productive" - you really should`ve told us before that you would do a beta (you will leave alot unhappy customers trust me - unless we get all access in week 4+ or something) and not hype us to the MAX and then "hammer" us with a mjoelner on our head!!!
At least give those without access a goodie -> like a 1m cutthroat or 1m all leagues or make atziri dropping beta keys instead of flasks....just kidding on the last one.
For me personally my hype is somewhat gone but you will for sure get your usual dollars from me - just because i love that game so much and i appreciate all the work you have been done so far. guys desynch gone ... how long have some of you waited for that ...
ps: get some theorycrafters in the Beta - they are far better in finding stuff you need to remove/change then guys who can stay up 20h and play the usual fb/ts fotm builds. but i have good hopes that at least some of the streamers are able to give you good advices ....
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Сообщениеirukandji#715513 апр. 2015 г., 13:40:43
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@Josephoenix
You are a good man .
Последняя редакция: morc1us#5661. Время: 13 апр. 2015 г., 13:50:10
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Сообщениеmorc1us#566113 апр. 2015 г., 13:49:42
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Where to begin?
Lets look at this logically and from ggg point of view.
Alpha members get a automatic key. These guys tested poe before cb. They know what their looking for and ggg know they will report back.These people are alphas for a reason.
Streamers with over a million channel veiws get a key. Simple marketing. You want a guaranteed key for act 5 or 6? Get streaming and get popular.
I want a key for 10$ Obviously ggg doesn't need your ten dollars.
I want a key for finishing in bla blah place in bla bla leauge You got your leaugue specific mtx and you want more? GREED
I supported ggg with supporter packs i deserve a key You bought packs with no guareentee of this closed beta key. You bought packs because you wanted to support ggg.
They could have made this beta invitational only and just invited alphas (for pure testing) and streamers (for marketing), but no, ggg has decided to offer the general community (good and bad players) a CHANCE to participate in its testing and so many of you are butt hurt by this.
Get a grip
I hope i get a key. If not, so what. Ill play regaurdless cause i enjoy it. I want to enjoy act 4 aswell which is why im pleased we are having a cb for such a major overhaul.
Ty Gl Hf
Razza
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I haven't played PoE for quite some time, so I'm not particularly invested in getting in. However in light of the information presented in this announcement I'm not sure why GGG opted to do the press tour before the beta, rather than at the end of it. As it stands, the media presence is essentially soliciting people to sign up for a beta they have a miniscule chance of actually partaking in. By the end of the two-month period, interest will have died down again, and PoE will end up enjoying a much smaller influx of new players than it would have if the press tour had been scheduled differently.
This doesn't seem like something GGG hasn't considered, so I'm probably missing something. At any rate, I'm hyped -- and curious.
Have you made a cool build using The Coming Calamity? Let me know! Последняя редакция: ephetat#3689. Время: 13 апр. 2015 г., 14:00:06
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Сообщениеephetat#368913 апр. 2015 г., 13:59:45
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Archwizard написал:
This thread is just unreal. The myopia involved on the part of so many posters is just frustrating to read for me, and I'm not even a part of GGG.
Testing is good.
GGG has released crazy unbalanced stuff in the past (invasion bosses when that league started anyone?) and gotten flamed (sometimes rightly so) for not having more thorough testing. So, now they're learning from that given the a) massive content and b) fundamental changes to the netcode and skill tree involved here.
Part of testing is setting up a structure to make sure you control how, when, and how much data you get. It doesn't take 20,000 people to find out if something major is off/wrong/etc. Once the first 500 have played a little bit, you let another 500 in (making numbers up for illustrative purposes), because odds are good you're moving from major to moderate issues. Then let another 500 in, because we're moving on to smaller issues and less clear cut issues (is this boss too hard? is a subjective question). Wash, rinse, repeat until desired results are achieved.
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The issue of 'fairness' in determining who gets in seems to have come up a lot. I have four pretty titles (well, 3, the CB supporter title looked better before the CB was added) under my name, so what's 'fair' in determining if I get in?
Many people seem to be approaching this from a quid pro quo mentality: the more they put in, the more they should get. Perhaps there is something to that. You could have 1 entry per 1,000 hours played, or 1 entry per 50 character levels, or some other weighted way of using RNG to select the Beta Testers. However, GGG chose the egalitarian (with minor mods) route. Everyone (again, minor exceptions) has an equal chance of getting in.
Now, regarding those exceptions. The only two I saw were 1) Alpha Testers, and 2) Streamers with tons of views. Unlike the original Beta Testers (of which I am one), the Alpha Testers were purposefully selected by GGG to test the game in the past. To acknowledge those people and the reason you asked them to test the first time is a good thing. All I did was give them $15 3 years ago (well, a little under), why would that merit special treatment? Oh and to whoever said that half don't even know if they are anymore, get a clue. One person asked, and that person does know. See all those accounts that say 'Alpha Member'? They're the Alpha Testers! Don't have that on your account? You're not one!
Anyone that has an issue with streamers that have huge followings getting in needs to perform a reality check. Those guys generate tons of free publicity and advertising for GGG. GGG would be monumentally stupid NOT to give those guys access. I never watch streams (and only sometimes watch ZiggyD vids), so I have no idea how large a population this is, but since most people can only name like maybe 5 total, get over it.
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To folks saying they will use multiple accounts to try to get in: grow the hell up. Seriously. Now. Not only is that EXPLICITLY against the rules that Chris posted, it's also juvenile and extraordinarily selfish.
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To folks bitching and whining about what to do in the interim: play the game! Chris even said they're heavily discussing what to do with the live game while the test is going on. If you hate the base game that much (why are you here?), then do what some people have said: go play something else. Come back when The Awakening is released. No game expects 100% fidelity. GGG won't be going to divorce court if you play another game. It's good to vary up what you do, so I'm not sure why people think this is a threat.
To the handful of folks that have said they won't give money again based on this: don't let the door hit your asses on the way out. People that try to use their wallet to try to hold GGG hostage to their agenda are not the people this game needs, we're better off without you.
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To folks saying that only 'pro' players (or whatever nonsense) should get in: get over yourselves. Please. As others have pointed out, there actually are levels below 70, and some people actually enjoy playing them. Crazy, isn't it? Someone above said "all anyone does is rush through the content to get to mapping" (or something equally myopic). I know plenty of folks that don't play that way at all. Some folks play until early maps. Some folks play until the end of Merciless. Some folks sometimes only play to the end of normal before making a new char (though, I think that last group needs altaholics anonymous). Each and every one of those folks is a valid player and GGG would be remiss is not considering their playing experience as well as the experiences of those that can smoke Uber Atziri with their eyes closed and two hands tied behind their backs.
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To folks saying that new players can't provide worthy feedback: you need to get over yourselves too. I've been playing almost three years now. That means I've had that much time to built up biases regarding this game and how I think it should work. It's the lense through which I view the game, and it will affect everything I experience and saw regarding this game. New players don't have that. They don't know the tree, or the monsters, or the quests, etc, as well as I do, which means they'll bring a much fresher perspective to those things than I will. GGG needs that fresh perspective. Perpetual games like this one need new players to survive. GGG, as far as I know, is not working on anything else, which means they need people playing (and paying for) PoE. Folks quit games all the time. They've gotten their fill, something else is shinier, they don't have time anymore, whatever. GGG must replace those people in order to survive as a company. Which means they need to make sure the game is easy enough to get hooked on that people stay. I have no goddamned clue if it is, I'm hooked already and have been here far too long to be able to really assess that.
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I think that's it for now. But an overarching message in this post is: you salty olks need to take a step back and think about what is good for GGG and Path of Exile, not what is good for you.
This is all that need to be read from this topic. 100% agreement with all points.
I would normally shorten or just dotted (...) most of the quotes and leave only those relevant to my post but the whole quoted post deserves to be read again. Even small chance that someone just jumping to the end of the thread will spot this and read it is good enough reason to quote this.
Kudos to Archwizard for the quote!
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СообщениеBaron01#304713 апр. 2015 г., 14:33:38
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