Elemental Focus Support

"supported skills cannot inflict elemental status aliments" should become "supported skills cannot inflict status aliments".

The Elemental Focus support gem just make chaos conversion even stronger. Conversion to chaos can avoid reflect, enjoy both elemental nodes and chaos nodes. Now, it can even earn the more damage but still apply poison. The converted chaos damage needs not pay the drawback while the elemental one need to.

Of course, it's still not announced offically yet. Hopefully it can be fixed once it's announced.

Thanks.

And then a wild Consuming Dark nerf appear...

They are nerfing posion most likely so it will require more investment.


Posion isn't even a status aliment I don't think mechanically (maybe GGG can confirm), everything about elemental focus is you know focused around elemental part.

Or...

Supported Skills can't inflict Elemental Status Ailments
Penetrates x% Elemental Resistances

...thus dodging the issue completely.

Of course, perfection would be going back in a time machine and having such a gem instead of the current trio of Penetration supports. I feel the game would be a lot more interesting if Penetration was a more difficult mechanic to stack.

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ScrotieMcB написал:

Or...

Supported Skills can't inflict Elemental Status Ailments
Penetrates x% Elemental Resistances

...thus dodging the issue completely.

Of course, perfection would be going back in a time machine and having such a gem instead of the current trio of Penetration supports. I feel the game would be a lot more interesting if Penetration was a more difficult mechanic to stack.

No its not exactly the same scaling in terms of having a more multiplier and pen, especially you know for people that like to compare their tool tip DPS. Plus its removes the uniqueness of the elemental penetration gems now.


Penetration stacking is an essential mechanic, PoE might not have pure immunities, but having stupid high rolls on map mods\monsters, ect means it effectively plays at that unless you do stack penetration.

@Goetzjam
That's assuming enemy resistance would be tuned according to the assumption of Penetration gems as they are now. Which clearly wouldn't be the case if Penetration gems hadn't existed in their current form.

Keeping Penetration mostly exclusive to a support gem with a drawback, such as Elemental Focus, would allow the them to tune to a balance - that is, tuned to the player choice to run the penetration support or to not run it - as opposed to the current tuning towards an assumption. The amount of penetration offered relative to enemy resistance could be made to encourage more meaningful choice, making Elemental Focus viable without being mandatory.

But this involves thinking like a designer, not thinking like a player, and therefore is unfamiliar ground for you.

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ScrotieMcB написал:

@Goetzjam
That's assuming enemy resistance would be tuned according to the assumption of Penetration gems as they are now. Which clearly wouldn't be the case if Penetration gems hadn't existed in their current form.

Keeping Penetration mostly exclusive to a support gem with a drawback, such as Elemental Focus, would allow the them to tune to a balance - that is, tuned to the player choice to run the penetration support or to not run it - as passed to the current tuning towards an assumption.

But this involves thinking like a designer, not thinking like a player, and therefore is unfamiliar ground for you.

Why do you think all gems need drawbacks? Why can't they just counter drawbacks like you know elemental pen gem does with map mods or monster res?


As for me not thinking as a designer instead of making as you are basically suggesting all support gems have drawbacks rather then leaving it as opportunity cost and then scattering some of the drawbacks to something you can control, like map mods or part composition this overall gives players the better option of choices rather then just selecting ones which have the least or least impactful downsides.

So I'm fully capable of thinking as a dev, but you nor GGG pay me to post here from a dev thinking standpoint, they don't even pay me at all. I think of whats generally going to be better for us as players, not what some fantasy game you think you could design instead of GGG, which you've clearly pushed your "bullshit" around here enough that everyone knows you think your a dev minded person posting on whats best, when you actually lack the game experience to know really quite frankly jack shit in terms of player perspective, so you call yourself a dev (minded person).

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goetzjam написал:

No its not exactly the same scaling in terms of having a more multiplier and pen, especially you know for people that like to compare their tool tip DPS. Plus its removes the uniqueness of the elemental penetration gems now.

You might be missing the point of the thread or I might be missing your sarcasm. Penetration cannot be converted; it applies based on final damage type, unlike elemental damage % bonus which get carried through on conversion.

I.e.
penetration = does not work with chaos conversion
More elemental damage = does work with chaos conversion

EDIT: For the record I actually really like ScrotieMcB 's suggested bandaid. Clever use of existing mechanics to solve an issue. Mmm.

Off topic: I didn't even recognize ScrotieMcB without his signature marauder avatar.

Hierophant has People's Eyebrow, like some kind of ancient bearded Rock, had to, sorry.

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