SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Shovelcut написал:

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Hyskoa написал:

Labyrinth is a horribly designed time-waster.

In less than 30 mins. (even less than 10 if you're rushing) you can have 2 extremely powerful passive nodes.

Yep, a real time-waster... /s

In 5 minutes I can have a really good ice-cream cone from the shop down the street. Doesn't mean it's not a time-waster.

^
So you enjoying a really good ice-cream is a waste of time ?
Not "wasting" any time probably means a very sad life then.

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Turtledove написал:

Gibbousmoon was speaking more generally, bring the intended context up a level. I think that you are missing the forest because of the trees, so to speak. There are lots of games where the only reward is the fun gameplay itself.

Show me a single game based on grinding where the only reward is the fun gameplay.
Go ahead ....
Or do you already realize how ridiculous that is ? ( if you understand what "grinding" means ).

And I have been saying for a while now, that the way extrinsinc and intrinsic reawrds are being spread in the lab are not so different from most areas in the game.
Special objectives are spread through all the lab, not just the end, and the end is the icing on the cake.
The reason while people are clearning maps is because they need the extrinsic rewards from the mobs to assure map progression, we are talking about extrinsic rewards again here ( of course, killing mob also give intrinsic rewards )

I do personally enjoy going through the lab, so extrinsic rewards are definitely not all to me.
Like others do like to go through the story, whereas some are just going through is in order to get to maps.


For example, should we all make a crusade against Vaal areas because the objective (extrinsic reward, obviously) is at the end ?
What about when people used to farm Piety, back when Dominus didn't exist ?




Finally an answer from GGG, and then we can see all the all the people that have nothing to do than complaining it about it here keeping going with their little crusade ...
Of course.

I haven't watched the video yet, but one would needto go back to Sarn to ascend 3 more times, from Oriath ?? That feels a bit weird, but the story comes back to Wraeclast at some point from what I understood with the trailer, I'm wondering how it will feel ....

because the 'but there is still hope for major changes with 3.0, because there is still hope there is' argument is dead now what we will have is a bunch of angry and obnoxious posters littering every place they can

dear lab crusade. you've lost. move on

and if you want to know why you have lost few tips:

- you were extremely rude to everyone who happened to not agree with you
- you projected YOUR opinions on other players and stated these opinions as facts
- you were rude
- you spammmmmmed everywhere
- creating alts/resurrecting old accounts just to 'support your case'
- you were - and by the looks of it still are - rude to everyone outside your clique

even if your arguments made sense, were correct or whatever - you managed to annoy and insult pretty much everyone around including devs.

and you have hoped to 'win'?

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The_Reporter написал:

There are no winners in this. It is not a contest.

Bad game design is bad game design. If GGG continue to hold on to low brow amateur design, it will continue to under perform.

The labyrinth is a poorly made mini game aimed at the jobless

Said already, but you not understand something does not make it "low brow amateur".
I mean, some people did talk about interesting ideas and point of views.
You haven't.

GGG has been performing better and better, only judging by the increasing popularity of the game, lab includede in there.


Anyway, if a GGG could lock this thread, that would be amazing.
We would eventually have a clear display of who has a toxic behaviour and would create other threads then.

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The_Reporter написал:

There are no winners in this. It is not a contest.

Bad game design is bad game design. If GGG continue to hold on to low brow amateur design, it will continue to under perform.

The labyrinth is a poorly made mini game aimed at the jobless

and it is us who are 'toxic'?

get a grip

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The_Reporter написал:

You haven't had any interesting ideas. I've had many.

For some reason I read that in a Trump voice. xD

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sidtherat написал:

because the 'but there is still hope for major changes with 3.0, because there is still hope there is' argument is dead now what we will have is a bunch of angry and obnoxious posters littering every place they can

dear lab crusade. you've lost. move on

and if you want to know why you have lost few tips:

- you were extremely rude to everyone who happened to not agree with you
- you projected YOUR opinions on other players and stated these opinions as facts
- you were rude
- you spammmmmmed everywhere
- creating alts/resurrecting old accounts just to 'support your case'
- you were - and by the looks of it still are - rude to everyone outside your clique

even if your arguments made sense, were correct or whatever - you managed to annoy and insult pretty much everyone around including devs.

and you have hoped to 'win'?

Honestly, this can be said about the opposite.. can't tell you how many threads I went in where someone talked about the lab, and the next several posts were people replying with "Oh look.. another lab thread" "git gud" "lab is easy, l2p" "lab minorty at it again" and so forth. Even if the poster had legit reason to dislike it and/or had a good idea to improve it. After the 10th post, the primary point of the thread gets derailed due to everyone just going at each other. Hell... look where this thread has gone... look at the title and then look at all the posts recently. It's sad.. everyone loses in this.

GGG are probably not going to do anything about the lab, not because it's great.. but because it's not worth the time for them. I already made a huge thread on why the lab just doesn't work in an ARPG like this. Izaro is great, ascendancy is great, but the lab itself poorly designed.

Also, there is no such thing as a lab crusade, it's people passionate about playing a game they enjoy.. and wanting to see it improve. PoE is a great game, but that doesn't mean its perfect.