SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Fruz написал:

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Phrazz написал:

A boss would be designed pretty badly if it wouldn't offer a more interesting challenge than a series of traps.

Then all bosses before 3.0.0 outside of maps and special areas have been badly designed, since you can just overlevel them and smash them, bypassing all of their mechanics.

That's to me the big difference with traps.

The idea of RPG's is that old content is pointless because of loot/rewards are trivial. Almost every good game IN MY OPINION does that.

The fact POE fails to do that does something every other game designer that doesn't suck has figured out shows a design problem internally.

People level to feel character growth, developers keep progression going to maintain this illusion since in reality you have to play better not worse as you level. But you still feel good about it because you can go back and kick the snot out of the boss that powned you for a month.

Blizzard fucked this up and realized their mistake in 2 days. GGG seems too alienated from their playerbase to realize this.

This is a no fucking brainer. Maybe GGG can't support this concept because of a lack of funding, but they need to figure out how to. Maybe have a optional Lab map with growing rewards that makes people that do it keep having a small edge and slightly punish those that hate it with a passion but not so much they quit.

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torturo написал:

Traps can also be completely trivialized as a challenge, if you work towards it.

It doesnt even require a lot :

A combination of the above, plus vitality and the kikazaru (or kaom's way) rings and you can literally stand on top of them. (especially if you got endurance charges too)

In legacy HC i waited until 80 or so i believe, used a bitchboi to get all trials cause i couldn't even stand them, and then i entered labs, choose chieftain and i was at like 30-35% life regen per second, friends were asking : "why aren't you farming the lab? your build is made for it" nobody even questioned me further about it after everyone got the same answer : simply cause i want to have fun with my hobby.

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Xavathos написал:

That's quite disturbing actually, raics. Wouldn't have expected something quite like that from you.

Probably, I'm on my better behavior online :)

But take the story with a grain of salt, people that live alone have a lot of time for thinking up stories like that to troll the gullible city folk. Something like this:

- Good afternoon, sir.
- How do you do, youngsters, what brings you over here?
- They say in the insurance central you reported a wolf attack on your flock so we dropped by to assess the damage.
- Ah, of course, of course, may they rot in seven hells, did away with over half of my flock they have. How am I supposed to live through the winter now is anyone's guess, I have no...
- I understand. How much is exactly 'half a flock'?
- At least thirty, thirty as one and there were only two wolves to boot. What would have happened if it was the whole pack I ask you, decent farmer is always at the mercy of...
- Note thirty over there, John. Can you show us the remains, sir?
- Of course, they're right behind the barn, gathering the poor things nearly broke my heart, I was...
- But, but, I see only two dead sheep here, sir!
- Exactly! Everything else they dragged away, damn them all to eternity and I could only stand and watch my livelihood crumble, yesterday I was a man of means and now a pauper...
- What do you mean 'dragged away'?
- You never saw a wolf drag a sheep off? He just bites her under the throat, like this, see, and then swings her over his back, and...
- Come now, there's no way two wolves dragged off thirty sheep!
- Wait, I wasn't finished yet. As one of the wolves dragged them into a pile the other one grabbed the keys to my truck and...

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Zalhan2 написал:

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Fruz написал:

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Phrazz написал:

A boss would be designed pretty badly if it wouldn't offer a more interesting challenge than a series of traps.

Then all bosses before 3.0.0 outside of maps and special areas have been badly designed, since you can just overlevel them and smash them, bypassing all of their mechanics.

That's to me the big difference with traps.

The idea of RPG's is that old content is pointless because of loot/rewards are trivial.

No it's not.
RPG means role playing gamne, not less, not more, period.


People QQing because they can't overlevel an element of the game is really funny to be honest, and really just goes with the point I was making a while ago.

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Zahlan2 написал:

But you still feel good about it because you can go back and kick the snot out of the boss that powned you for a month.

you can do that in the lab too.
lol

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Regulator написал:

In legacy HC i waited until 80 or so i believe, used a bitchboi to get all trials cause i couldn't even stand them, and then i entered labs, choose chieftain and i was at like 30-35% life regen per second

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Edit : I guess I'll just quote it only, it speaks for itself after all :

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Regulator написал:

First of all there is no difficulty issue whatsover

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Regulator написал:

In legacy HC i waited until 80 or so i believe, used a bitchboi to get all trials cause i couldn't even stand them, and then i entered labs, choose chieftain and i was at like 30-35% life regen per second

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It's so easy that you have to wait until you get 25%+ life regeneration heh ?
The best example, of why many don't have any "faith" in many of the "lab-haters" here.

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Fruz написал:

People QQing because they can't overlevel an element of the game is really funny to be honest, and really just goes with the point I was making a while ago.

Who did such a thing?

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Phrazz написал:

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Fruz написал:

People QQing because they can't overlevel an element of the game is really funny to be honest, and really just goes with the point I was making a while ago.

Who did such a thing?

The guy that I just quoted ...

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Zalhan2 написал:

The idea of RPG's is that old content is pointless because of loot/rewards are trivial. Almost every good game IN MY OPINION does that.

The fact POE fails to do that does something every other game designer that doesn't suck has figured out shows a design problem internally.

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Fruz написал:

The guy that I just quoted ...

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Zahlan2 написал:

The idea of RPG's is that old content is pointless because of loot/rewards are trivial. Almost every good game IN MY OPINION does that.

The fact POE fails to do that does something every other game designer that doesn't suck has figured out shows a design problem internally.

Oh, I didn't read anything about damage, traps or overleveling there, only loot/rewards. Might be taken out of context, I'm sorry. Probably my bad.

I didn't quote the correct part actually :

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Zalhan2 написал:

But you still feel good about it because you can go back and kick the snot out of the boss that powned you for a month.

But I did read too quickly part of the post, so there's my bad too.

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Fruz написал:

I didn't quote the correct part actually :

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Zalhan2 написал:

But you still feel good about it because you can go back and kick the snot out of the boss that powned you for a month.

But I did read too quickly part of the post, so there's my bad too.

Aah, I see.

Isn't my example proof that there is no skill required and you can bypass the "difficulty" aka there is no difficulty whatsoever ?

How you could possibly turn that around to mean anything else is beyond me. Show us how much more obnoxious and irritating you can get please.