[2.2] 100% chaos ICE TRAPPER - UBER down (T15 Abyss Double Boss fight in 10 sec!!)

Hey, great build, killed uber tonight.

My gear :

Weapons :


Armor : (+1 tabula for huge damage output)


Jewelry :


Little advice :

I usually run clarity / HoI / Blasphemy temporal chains, but for double uber Vaal i switched to HoI / Anger, and i switched void manipulation with concentrated effect, gone from 26k to 33k5 self buffed.
Helped me kill them faster :D

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hankinsohl написал:

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unlucky_child написал:

Why no ENTROPY node??

ice dmg -> PYRE = fire
fire dmg -> CONSUMIG DARK = POISON CHAOS

The poison dot applied by Consuming Dark is 10% of base damage per second and has a base duration of 2 seconds.

Simply put, we don't take Entropy because other damage nodes are much better for us.

Yes, but i have read this in other guide and says

"To achieve incredible damage, this build converts 100% of the fire damage from Magma Orb and Firestorm to chaos damage (Chaos Orb and ChaosStorm), thanks to the Consuming Dark Dagger. The dagger also Poisons on hit, and Poison is the reason why this build does so much damage.
The way you make Poison do monstrous DPS is by using the double-dipping mechanic with the Poison effect.
Trap Damage, Area Damage, Chaos Damage and Projectile Damage all double-dip on your Chaos Orb Trap's Poison damage, while the first three double-dip for ChaosStorm Trap.
This means that there will be an incredible burst damage from Poison immediately after the hit - hence the insta-death of Uber Atziri.

How do they double-dip?

Let's take into example Trap Damage.
Trap Damage will boost the initial hit of your Chaos Orb - which will increase the damage of Poison, since Poison's damage is based on 10% of the initial hit.
But Trap Damage will also boost the damage over time effect of the Poison, because it's applied through a trap-linked spell.
This way, Trap Damage modifiers apply twice to the Poison effect.
This is true for all the above-mentioned modifiers.

On top of all this, the build uses Elemental Overload.
The 40% MORE multiplier to elemental damage applies to the original fire damage of your spell, that then gets converted to chaos damage. As you can see in the videos, you can easily cast Orbs of Storm linked with the Critical Strike Chance gem to make Elemental Overload immediately proc (gem setup below).
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Has anyone running a high crit version of this build tried replacing void manipulation and controlled destruction with quality inc crit strikes and Inc crit damage?

Hello.

How you play in this build with only 1 node for mana regeneration and 1 items with regeneration? Somebody also without mana flask or clarity.

I'm with Clarity 16 lvl need to often use mana flask.

Have you considered using surgebinders and using that to offset the no-crit build instead? I don't like elemental overload at all, but I think surgebinders would make it work. I have 3 max frenzy and 4 max power at the moment, but you could get 5 frenzy and 5 power fairly easy, which would be 35% spell damage and 35% elemental damage and pretty much constant uptime.

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unlucky_child написал:

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hankinsohl написал:

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unlucky_child написал:

Why no ENTROPY node??

ice dmg -> PYRE = fire
fire dmg -> CONSUMIG DARK = POISON CHAOS

The poison dot applied by Consuming Dark is 10% of base damage per second and has a base duration of 2 seconds.

Simply put, we don't take Entropy because other damage nodes are much better for us.

Yes, but i have read this in other guide and says

"To achieve incredible damage, this build converts 100% of the fire damage from Magma Orb and Firestorm to chaos damage (Chaos Orb and ChaosStorm), thanks to the Consuming Dark Dagger. The dagger also Poisons on hit, and Poison is the reason why this build does so much damage.
The way you make Poison do monstrous DPS is by using the double-dipping mechanic with the Poison effect.
Trap Damage, Area Damage, Chaos Damage and Projectile Damage all double-dip on your Chaos Orb Trap's Poison damage, while the first three double-dip for ChaosStorm Trap.
This means that there will be an incredible burst damage from Poison immediately after the hit - hence the insta-death of Uber Atziri.

How do they double-dip?

Let's take into example Trap Damage.
Trap Damage will boost the initial hit of your Chaos Orb - which will increase the damage of Poison, since Poison's damage is based on 10% of the initial hit.
But Trap Damage will also boost the damage over time effect of the Poison, because it's applied through a trap-linked spell.
This way, Trap Damage modifiers apply twice to the Poison effect.
This is true for all the above-mentioned modifiers.

On top of all this, the build uses Elemental Overload.
The 40% MORE multiplier to elemental damage applies to the original fire damage of your spell, that then gets converted to chaos damage. As you can see in the videos, you can easily cast Orbs of Storm linked with the Critical Strike Chance gem to make Elemental Overload immediately proc (gem setup below).
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The reason why Entropy isn't good is that it only scales the poison DOT, not the initial hit. So it single dips, it only boosts the 20% of our damage which poisons and it has a delayed effect, taking 2 seconds to apply the DOT ticks (when virtually everything - other than some very tough bosses - is dead long before 2 seconds elapse).

So let's take an example. In this example we assume that we have no source of added damage at all and are simply comparing the effect of taking the Entropy node versus taking a Physical and Chaos Damage node.

Suppose you attack and do 100 chaos damage to a mob. The way that poison works, you will also do 20 poison damage to this mob over 2 seconds.

If you take Entropy, you get 27% increased damage over time (and to simplify things we'll ignore the increased skill duration).

So with the Entropy node, we do 100 initial damage plus 20 * 1.27 = 25.4 for a total of 125.4 damage.

Now suppose instead of taking Entropy we take a Physical and Chaos damage node which gives us 10% increased chaos damage. This node scales both our initial hit and our DOT.

With the Physical and Chaos Damage node we do:

100 base damage * 1.1 plus the poison dot.

The base poison DOT is 20% of the base damage = 100 * 1.1 * 0.2
However this base damage is also scaled by the Physical and Chaos Damage node since it double dips.
So the total DOT damage is 100 * 1.1 * 0.2 * 1.1 = 24.2

In summary:

Damage taking no nodes is: 100 base + 20 poison = 120 total
With Entropy: 100 base + 25.4 poison = 125.4 total = a gain of 5.4
With Physical and Chaos Damage node: 110 base + 24.2 poison = 134.2 total = a gain of 14.2

So the Physical and Chaos Damage node is almost 3 times better than the Entropy node. In an actual build the difference between the 2 nodes won't be this extreme due to diminishing returns on increased damage; nonetheless, virtually any damage node that simply scales our base damage, whether or not it double dips, will be better than the Entropy node.

Possible to play with CI? Playing Mines build at the moment, but really want to try traps.

Yesterday evening I decided to switch my Trapper to the Chaos Ice Trap version. Actually he's lvl 81.

I did some rippy double Boss maps like -max res, vuln, temp chains Double Boss Torture Chamber (I needed it for the Challenge). I also did Double Temple Piety (one with a fcking ghost...).

Its ridiculous how fast Bosses melt down. With Enfeeble on Blasphemy its pretty safe aswell.



Sadly my Equipment (except my Chest) is kinda bad, I needed all my Jewelslots to cap resistances.

Damage with 4 Frenzy's is about 13k this will easily scale to 30k+ with leveled gems and proper jewels.

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hankinsohl написал:

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unlucky_child написал:

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hankinsohl написал:

Why no ENTROPY node??

ice dmg -> PYRE = fire
fire dmg -> CONSUMIG DARK = POISON CHAOS
The poison dot applied by Consuming Dark is 10% of base damage per second and has a base duration of 2 seconds.

Simply put, we don't take Entropy because other damage nodes are much better for us.

Yes, but i have read this in other guide and says

"To achieve incredible damage, this build converts 100% of the fire damage from Magma Orb and Firestorm to chaos damage (Chaos Orb and ChaosStorm), thanks to the Consuming Dark Dagger. The dagger also Poisons on hit, and Poison is the reason why this build does so much damage.
The way you make Poison do monstrous DPS is by using the double-dipping mechanic with the Poison effect.
Trap Damage, Area Damage, Chaos Damage and Projectile Damage all double-dip on your Chaos Orb Trap's Poison damage, while the first three double-dip for ChaosStorm Trap.
This means that there will be an incredible burst damage from Poison immediately after the hit - hence the insta-death of Uber Atziri.

How do they double-dip?

Let's take into example Trap Damage.
Trap Damage will boost the initial hit of your Chaos Orb - which will increase the damage of Poison, since Poison's damage is based on 10% of the initial hit.
But Trap Damage will also boost the damage over time effect of the Poison, because it's applied through a trap-linked spell.
This way, Trap Damage modifiers apply twice to the Poison effect.
This is true for all the above-mentioned modifiers.

On top of all this, the build uses Elemental Overload.
The 40% MORE multiplier to elemental damage applies to the original fire damage of your spell, that then gets converted to chaos damage. As you can see in the videos, you can easily cast Orbs of Storm linked with the Critical Strike Chance gem to make Elemental Overload immediately proc (gem setup below).
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The reason why Entropy isn't good is that it only scales the poison DOT, not the initial hit. So it single dips, it only boosts the 20% of our damage which poisons and it has a delayed effect, taking 2 seconds to apply the DOT ticks (when virtually everything - other than some very tough bosses - is dead long before 2 seconds elapse).

So let's take an example. In this example we assume that we have no source of added damage at all and are simply comparing the effect of taking the Entropy node versus taking a Physical and Chaos Damage node.

Suppose you attack and do 100 chaos damage to a mob. The way that poison works, you will also do 20 poison damage to this mob over 2 seconds.

If you take Entropy, you get 27% increased damage over time (and to simplify things we'll ignore the increased skill duration).

So with the Entropy node, we do 100 initial damage plus 20 * 1.27 = 25.4 for a total of 125.4 damage.

Now suppose instead of taking Entropy we take a Physical and Chaos damage node which gives us 10% increased chaos damage. This node scales both our initial hit and our DOT.

With the Physical and Chaos Damage node we do:

100 base damage * 1.1 plus the poison dot.

The base poison DOT is 20% of the base damage = 100 * 1.1 * 0.2
However this base damage is also scaled by the Physical and Chaos Damage node since it double dips.
So the total DOT damage is 100 * 1.1 * 0.2 * 1.1 = 24.2

In summary:

Damage taking no nodes is: 100 base + 20 poison = 120 total
With Entropy: 100 base + 25.4 poison = 125.4 total = a gain of 5.4 DPS.
With Physical and Chaos Damage node: 110 base + 24.2 poison = 134.2 total = a gain of 14.2 DPS.

Clarification :

The TICK dmg is calculated once and then applied once per sec for 2+duration of poison (if duration is increased you get DMG*X increased duration outcome).

With Entropy cluster and based dmg of 100 chaos damage you will deal:

100 * 0.1 = 10.. * 1.47 = 14.7.. * 2,05 = 30.135 dmg.

100 + 30 ~ 130 dmg. With full entropy cluster (3 points)

(i dont get it why you want to calculate vs chaos nodes when everyone here is taking them either way)

In my case (non -crit) i have to choose between Elemental Focus or Entropy, which means:

32% ele or 47% dot.

Ele will increase only base hit:

100 * 1.32 = 132.. * 0.1 = 13.2 * 2 = 26.4

132 + 26.4 = 158.4
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Over all:

Scaling DOT: 130 dmg
Scaliing base dmg: 158 dmg

Colclusion:
IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO SCALE INITIAL HIT !!!!

Conclusion 2:
Double-Tripple dipping will be ALWAYS better than DOT increase.

@eragon1111
Yes, but your calculation is the same as mine (I specifically said we're ignoring increased duration to simplify the calculation).

And in your example you are taking 3 DOT nodes whereas I was comparing one Entropy node to one Chaos and Physical Damage node.

Edit: And 5% increased skill effect duration should result in 2 * 1.05 = 2.1 seconds (you wrote 2.05)