[3.5] Say_Ten's Melee Shadow - Murder Everything Cheaply

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Say_Ten написал:


ice golem is such a pussy. seriously just want to support it with minion life and resists to make it STFU.

since they buffed claws and claw nodes and nerfed daggers, they are really similar. claws are more defensive for the leech/life on hit, daggers are more offensive due to the built-in global crit. daggers, for that reason, also become more versatile for other builds because you can roll spellcaster mods on them. IMO claws are the way to go, which is why i use them. however, i think dagger prices have gone down a little bit so it would be easy enough to try.

if you're selling a headhunter, just go for the fucking gold.


I think its just the ex-WoW rogue in me but I had to go daggers xD

So I liked the idea of steel rings to help with damage and I dropped Lightning Strike in favor of CWDT Minion Life Golem; debating coming back to LS cause its pretty awesome. Since I'm not running unsets I was wondering if I could run a 3 link LS and drop the assassins mark/curse on hit and keep it viable.

Since I'm running daggers I spec'd out of extra power charge in favor of the mana/leech node instead to dagger tree. I had this jewel sitting in my stash soo I had to go daggers


Legacy Bringer makes this build feel stupid tanky btw. Love it.

Последняя редакция: Cøpe. Время: 12 янв. 2018 г., 15:57:36
Could you take a look at my items? Is the accuracy a must? It makes good amulets or rings so expensive, and i dont have 1ex or more to buy those.
Is there a rate for life or resistences? I didnt when to trade like X% resistence for Y life or so on, so i just took resistence over life to cap it.

Using poacher mark until i get a good unset ring, then going to use warlord if in need for sustain or enfeeble if my sustain is fine. I cant change the belt and boots, i need it for the str bonus.

Im going to change the amulet, the 2stone ring and maybe the gloves, is the rest fine? Im getting more currency to upgrade them.

And is worth to trade the bino's regen for the Vaal Pact?Its doing fine for me, but maybe at high map tiers it becomes better to use VP?

Sorry for all this questions, im just in love with this build, and like you i hate magic shadow.

Edit:Already changed my amulet and one of the rings, going to change the other ring for an unset ring and the gloves to cap 75% in all res. Atm my cold is 67% the rest is capped. The rest is at ~80%.
Последняя редакция: nabilfares5. Время: 14 янв. 2018 г., 23:44:46
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Cøpe написал:
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Say_Ten написал:


ice golem is such a pussy. seriously just want to support it with minion life and resists to make it STFU.

since they buffed claws and claw nodes and nerfed daggers, they are really similar. claws are more defensive for the leech/life on hit, daggers are more offensive due to the built-in global crit. daggers, for that reason, also become more versatile for other builds because you can roll spellcaster mods on them. IMO claws are the way to go, which is why i use them. however, i think dagger prices have gone down a little bit so it would be easy enough to try.

if you're selling a headhunter, just go for the fucking gold.


I think its just the ex-WoW rogue in me but I had to go daggers xD

So I liked the idea of steel rings to help with damage and I dropped Lightning Strike in favor of CWDT Minion Life Golem; debating coming back to LS cause its pretty awesome. Since I'm not running unsets I was wondering if I could run a 3 link LS and drop the assassins mark/curse on hit and keep it viable.

Since I'm running daggers I spec'd out of extra power charge in favor of the mana/leech node instead to dagger tree. I had this jewel sitting in my stash soo I had to go daggers


Legacy Bringer makes this build feel stupid tanky btw. Love it.



How did you get the desired stats on those gears? Do you keep rerolling them with chaos orbs? Or did they just happened to drop with those stats in them?
Последняя редакция: Audelus. Время: 13 янв. 2018 г., 2:56:40
To the above poster:

Most of this gear was traded for (you can easily find affordable upgrades on the trade links IF you make use of the filter options) and cost me around 30 ex or so on standard, some I crafted/found (jewel, amulet, one steel ring, boots)

You can really crush with little investment so I don't advise using chaos orbs to get the stats you want.
Hi ! Trying this build as my second build for the Abyss league (the first one was okay dps wise against trash, but lacking in single target and defences and it used the same claws). Really fun right now, same feeling as previous build, but more efficient against bosses and more life.

I'm going for Frost blades (don't like the feeling of lightning strike very much), but sticking to the build otherwise.

And I just got this thing of beauty :





It seems really good to me (maybe even good enough to put the dual strike in it rather than in BoR), but I'd like the advice of someone else : very good, good or bad idea (and then I would be back to double Touch of anguish) ?

I just hit level 65 and did try it a bit. Seems good right now, but can't tell for the future.


And subsequent question : if good, would it be worth it to get the Crimson Dance node ?
Последняя редакция: Pingouinmalin. Время: 15 янв. 2018 г., 7:38:49
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Cøpe написал:
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Say_Ten написал:


ice golem is such a pussy. seriously just want to support it with minion life and resists to make it STFU.

since they buffed claws and claw nodes and nerfed daggers, they are really similar. claws are more defensive for the leech/life on hit, daggers are more offensive due to the built-in global crit. daggers, for that reason, also become more versatile for other builds because you can roll spellcaster mods on them. IMO claws are the way to go, which is why i use them. however, i think dagger prices have gone down a little bit so it would be easy enough to try.

if you're selling a headhunter, just go for the fucking gold.


I think its just the ex-WoW rogue in me but I had to go daggers xD

So I liked the idea of steel rings to help with damage and I dropped Lightning Strike in favor of CWDT Minion Life Golem; debating coming back to LS cause its pretty awesome. Since I'm not running unsets I was wondering if I could run a 3 link LS and drop the assassins mark/curse on hit and keep it viable.

Since I'm running daggers I spec'd out of extra power charge in favor of the mana/leech node instead to dagger tree. I had this jewel sitting in my stash soo I had to go daggers


Legacy Bringer makes this build feel stupid tanky btw. Love it.



cwdt for golem is nice since you can be lazy but if it removes a secondary attack i don't love it. ideally, you could get rid of increased duration on your CWDT curse/IC setup and just put ice golem in there...

nice gear though. you should yolo exalt that 2nd ring with only 4 mods and try to get a resist out of it. id temporarily remove the elreon craft and block prefixes by crafting mana on there first. then you remove that shit after you exalt it, etc. if you're lucky you could slam it twice.
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nabilfares5 написал:
Could you take a look at my items? Is the accuracy a must? It makes good amulets or rings so expensive, and i dont have 1ex or more to buy those.
Is there a rate for life or resistences? I didnt when to trade like X% resistence for Y life or so on, so i just took resistence over life to cap it.

Using poacher mark until i get a good unset ring, then going to use warlord if in need for sustain or enfeeble if my sustain is fine. I cant change the belt and boots, i need it for the str bonus.

Im going to change the amulet, the 2stone ring and maybe the gloves, is the rest fine? Im getting more currency to upgrade them.

And is worth to trade the bino's regen for the Vaal Pact?Its doing fine for me, but maybe at high map tiers it becomes better to use VP?

Sorry for all this questions, im just in love with this build, and like you i hate magic shadow.

Edit:Already changed my amulet and one of the rings, going to change the other ring for an unset ring and the gloves to cap 75% in all res. Atm my cold is 67% the rest is capped. The rest is at ~80%.


tough to say but you should definitely always have your resists capped. if you have them at 50% vs. 75%, you're taking 25% extra damage. is it easy to get 25% extra life? nope. easy enough to get 25% extra resists? yup.

your gear is very good (now) for your level. get rid of that unique sulphur flask as it regen's energy shield instead of life. you can run a normal sulphur if you want...or, ideally, run a stibnite flask for now with a good mod.

i forget how much regen you get from bino's and i also don't remember if it stacks. i would suspect leech and VP would be a lot more powerful.

keep it up man

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Audelus написал:

How did you get the desired stats on those gears? Do you keep rerolling them with chaos orbs? Or did they just happened to drop with those stats in them?


don't chaos roll or craft unless you have a lot of currency and you know what you're doing. some people get lucky with drops but 95% of the people are buying stuff from others by searching on poe.trade
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Pingouinmalin написал:
Hi ! Trying this build as my second build for the Abyss league (the first one was okay dps wise against trash, but lacking in single target and defences and it used the same claws). Really fun right now, same feeling as previous build, but more efficient against bosses and more life.

I'm going for Frost blades (don't like the feeling of lightning strike very much), but sticking to the build otherwise.

And I just got this thing of beauty :





It seems really good to me (maybe even good enough to put the dual strike in it rather than in BoR), but I'd like the advice of someone else : very good, good or bad idea (and then I would be back to double Touch of anguish) ?

I just hit level 65 and did try it a bit. Seems good right now, but can't tell for the future.


And subsequent question : if good, would it be worth it to get the Crimson Dance node ?


nice claw! you can use either attack in your BoR and either attack in the claw. the BoR has blind on it, which is good for tougher fights and assuming you are going to run DS for single target, i would keep it in there. once you get assassinate via the ascendancy (can't see if you have it), be sure to get rid of culling strike since you get that for free. if you end up putting frost blades in the claw, i would probably link it with ancestral call and faster attacks to proc bleed fucking everywhere. otherwise maim would be decent too for the debuff. i have a similar claw and just added my LS CoH setup to it (can swap for FB too). this enabled me to 4L my whirling blades, so i put onslaught support with that, which triggers enough to make it decent (thanks Garrett).

i wouldn't go for crimson dance since it's out of the way. unless you were going the bleed/poison route, then might be worth it.
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Say_Ten написал:


nice gear though. you should yolo exalt that 2nd ring with only 4 mods and try to get a resist out of it. id temporarily remove the elreon craft and block prefixes by crafting mana on there first. then you remove that shit after you exalt it, etc. if you're lucky you could slam it twice.


Sadly no luck on the exalt crafts, tried with amulet and ring; no big deal though was worth a shot.

So I'm now running a 4L Starkonja and a 6L belly with Dual Strike/Multi/AddedPhys/CritDmg/DamageOnFullLife/Ruthless as a change, I miss the block but the damage and life is a nice bonus.

My Lightning Strike 4L is Greater Projectiles/LS/Multistrike/Onslaught - Think onslaught is worth it? Didn't really need the power charges/curse overlap from Assassin's Mark

Also having a little trouble with managing leech since I'm only @ L89 so skill points are scarce. Damage is solid, life pool and res are solid, just having a little trouble recovering from any big hits at the moment, trying to figure out how to work around it

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