State of PoE 2.2.2 - do you see improvements over time?

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Saranghaeyo_ написал:

But it does affect me. I play mainly Standard actually. Nice white knighting LOL

I don't get where your logic comes from. New player joins and see long time players with a pile of items >>> it's Standard league mate, by the rules of game, dead HC chars and temp leagues funnel into it. You're gonna wipe Standard too or what? And in all ARPG, of course if you're what, like 6 years behind the times, you're not gonna have anything. Nature of the game.

You wanna be a white knight delete your Legacy items pls :>

White knight? Are you capable of having a discussion without labeling people? What the hell is your definition of "white knight" anyway, if you think THIS is a good way of using the term?

Of course a new player isn't going to have everything. But that's a LONG way from a new player not having the OPPORTUNITY to get said items - what so ever.

And if you think that legacy items doesn't have an affect on the economy - and prices og non-legacy counterpart, you have to think twice.

So yes, it does affect every trader in the game.

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viciousnugget написал:

My possession of these items bothers you?

Not really personally and main reason might be i havent played poe for years.

but obviously something happen, im not familiar with metrics nowadays but my good guess is majority of players that stick with game are

- people interested in hc ladder or ladder
- legacy owners on standard

while back then the standard got at least 5x more people than hc or league, casuals are very important for game income but dont get me wrong

Im strictly against catering to casuals either by making game easy or creating shortcuts to invalidate any hardwork of veterans but there was no hard work involved it was actually tenfold easier to obtain said legacy items back then.

So these privileged people got their wealth multiplied overnight without moving a finger because devs decide its too much technical difficulty to patch items via db query.

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Saranghaeyo_ написал:

new lord

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Saranghaeyo_ написал:

white knight

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Saranghaeyo_ написал:

Little Timmy

Sorry, but I pity you. Not able to have a discussion without desperately trying suppression techniques and labeling people like a 12 year old.

Try discussing this matter without believing every dude looks up to you and envy you. Try. Please.

By the command of new lord Little Timmy

Sir Saranghaeyo_'s the legacy white knight

shall be perish of his kaom and shavs without ebay refund!

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Saranghaeyo_ написал:

It's funny because I started in a late temp league and just played Standard afterwards. Because I simply enjoy the game, I wasn't caught up a whole lot about what other people owned or had, and focused on my own pace. It really has had no effect on me, lmao.

I play mostly standard, and I play self found: So needless to say, it has no affect on me either. But it HAS an affect on several other areas; trading for one. And if I was to start playing PoE today, and finds out that there's A LOT of really good items floating in standard that is not obtainable anymore, that is kind of sad.

I do not play for currency, as I play self found. But a lot of people do. And I don't think you can imagine how much harder it is to obtain currency in this game, without legacy IIQ gear, OP drops and so on. If you look at PoE trade, nothing else than GG rares and legacy items sell for much (which is the "law" in an endless league :P). And I don't think anyone really knows how much legacy gear affect the economy and pricing of non-legacy counterparts.

If you like legacy gear? Great, say so. If you don't want to play PoE without legacy gear? Fine, your views, your choices - it's ok. But legacy gear does affect more than you think it does.

What to do about it? Well, wiping standard is out of the question, as it would raise havoc. But I do think GGG needs to find a way to change every item when balancing.

Tho, in my eyes, a fresh Standard League, with no legacy items from start - and no legacy items in the future? Well, I's hit it. For sure.

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Saranghaeyo_ написал:

Well that's such a different tone from our convo earlier.

I'd love to respond more but I have been banished...

My tone was based on your slightly milder tone... What goes around, comes around.

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phrazz написал:

Tho, in my eyes, a fresh Standard League, with no legacy items from start - and no legacy items in the future? Well, I's hit it. For sure.

From business standpoint big YES

From technical standpoint its possible to retroactively change items but that require to run db query on each individual item for all character inventories and stashes, i can just imagine how humongous the db is.

But keep in mind the legacy item is product of technical limitation in first place.

Finally someone who have clue:) thank you

1. Game is better then before
2. Worrying about legacy items is like worrying there are rich people out in the world that inherited money from their rich parents and don't have to work since it's unfair.

Does it really affect you or your enjoyment of the game? Not really, you're hurting your brain for no actual reason.

You can argue 24/7 about this subject but in the end it really doesn't matter. It's been like 3 years since legacy items and careless dumping of ladders into standard and it's 100% been exactly the same it's always been.

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RagnarokChu написал:

1. Game is better then before
2. Worrying about legacy items is like worrying there are rich people out in the world that inherited money from their rich parents and don't have to work since it's unfair.

Does it really affect you or your enjoyment of the game? Not really, you're hurting your brain for no actual reason.

You can argue 24/7 about this subject but in the end it really doesn't matter. It's been like 3 years since legacy items and careless dumping of ladders into standard and it's 100% been exactly the same it's always been.

1. I have no reason to not believe this with all the content patches!

- Could get some technical patches as well :)


2. Wrong analogy, this is game not real world. No p2w games provide even playing field for all players.

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nexuscz написал:

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RagnarokChu написал:

1. Game is better then before
2. Worrying about legacy items is like worrying there are rich people out in the world that inherited money from their rich parents and don't have to work since it's unfair.

Does it really affect you or your enjoyment of the game? Not really, you're hurting your brain for no actual reason.

You can argue 24/7 about this subject but in the end it really doesn't matter. It's been like 3 years since legacy items and careless dumping of ladders into standard and it's 100% been exactly the same it's always been.

1. I have no reason to not believe this with all the content patches!

- Could get some technical patches as well :)


2. Wrong analogy, this is game not real world. No p2w games provide even playing field for all players.

The game not being real world gives more reason to not care about pointless shit.

What people should be asking for is a new competitive "standard" league that is very closely watched/monitored. The closest thing you have to that is ladder, if it's too short and another long term league is too long. Maybe ask for 1-2 year long leagues that rotate out like a card game.

Or release a single player version of the game with modding that you pay for, so everyone can go away and do exactly what they want in POE.

Legacy items exits is because the ARPGs were never designed to be MMOs, so it's part of the problem of dealing with designing a long term game. Which GGG failed in having the foresight on how to do properly.

It sucks for anybody is isn't a ladder player.