[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

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Endactam написал:

I dropped pyre for another opal ring

Wait... what? At first I thought you meant you switched to the old AoF+CtF scheme, but your staff and your profile say otherwise. So you are doing 100% cold damage now? And why is FP still in your staff? You need CP now.

You gained: 51 Int and 53% inc dmg, some ES.
You lost: Snowforged double-dip (33% inc dmg), Liege bonus (40% inc dmg), Mastermind bonus (25% penetration), AA protection (13% LESS reflected damage).

I don't think that's a good deal. If the Opal ring is really better than Perandus then I'd at least stay with AoF+CtF and fire damage. But Perandus gives lots of Int at lv 90+ and I dunno if that ring is as good.

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Creds написал:

i easy killed Uber Atziri and shaper ... but anyway seems it doesnt make sence to talk with an random guy ... facetanking .... easy since im on max Res and +10k es

Do you have a Shaper video? Can you un-private your profile?

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Kelvynn написал:

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Endactam написал:

I dropped pyre for another opal ring

Wait... what? At first I thought you meant you switched to the old AoF+CtF scheme, but your staff and your profile say otherwise. So you are doing 100% cold damage now? And why is FP still in your staff? You need CP now.

You gained: 51 Int and 53% inc dmg, some ES.
You lost: Snowforged double-dip (33% inc dmg), Liege bonus (40% inc dmg), Mastermind bonus (25% penetration), AA protection (13% LESS reflected damage).

I don't think that's a good deal. If the Opal ring is really better than Perandus then I'd at least stay with AoF+CtF and fire damage. But Perandus gives lots of Int at lv 90+ and I dunno if that ring is as good.

Correction:
Mastermind bonus fixed - switched curse on hit to lvl 4 firestorm
Cold pen on staff fixed

Lost:
ele damage from snowforged 3 pts (-68%)
Lost liege bonus for fire golem - (40%) + (40% golem buff)
Lost 12% less fire reflect protection while standing still - this is bad
15 fire resist

Gained:
70 int, 77% ele damage almost 900 ES
Almost 10% accuracy (74% chance to hit oh ya!)
40% cold golem damage increase
3 skill points for another jewel socket (int/spell damage here)
2 skill points from fire walker

Changes:
I now have 2 golems rather than 1 that run around like idiots.

This is why we ask the experts kids. We make mistakes heh.
I do not know if this is better or worse, but now it's actually what I was trying to do. I know you really like that perandus signet but in every way i see (even using 2) it's inferior to these new rings with essence crafts. So it's an alternative rather than a change you build guide type thing.

<Edit> For nice round numbers my dps in hideout is now 9,028 and with pendulum it's 10,100.
This gives a nice easy 100% elemental damage = 10% more real damage at this point.

<Edit2>
Damn skills cast via cast when damage taken don't count for mastermind of discord

<Edit3>
Summary: Higher sheet damage, higher ES 25% less resistance penetration because I cannot figure out how to add a fire spell into this setup without losing something good.
This setup would appear to be slightly inferior & far more expensive.

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Endactam написал:

Correction:
Mastermind bonus fixed - switched curse on hit to lvl 4 firestorm

Triggered skills don't trigger Mastermind, only the skills you use manually do. Orb of Storms triggers both EO and Mastermind fire penetration for this build, normally. But if you are using cold damage then you have to manually use a fire skill. Every 10 sec.

Yeah... I kinda doubt that a slight gain in tooltip damage is worth losing all that nice synergy that we get from the fire conversion, too many good things. And all that just for that one Opal ring?

Have you tried to just go with the AoF+CtF scheme and the Opal rings? And compared the tooltip and ES you get with them vs Perandus Signets?

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Kelvynn написал:

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Endactam написал:

Correction:
Mastermind bonus fixed - switched curse on hit to lvl 4 firestorm

Triggered skills don't trigger Mastermind, only the skills you use manually do. Orb of Storms triggers both EO and Mastermind fire penetration for this build, normally. But if you are using cold damage then you have to manually use a fire skill. Every 10 sec.

Yeah... I kinda doubt that a slight gain in tooltip damage is worth losing all that nice synergy that we get from the fire conversion, too many good things. And all that just for that one Opal ring?

Have you tried to just go with the AoF+CtF scheme and the Opal rings? And compared the tooltip and ES you get with them vs Perandus Signets?

Yes, the tooltip is 1.5k lower with a lvl 19 20% quality cold -> fire and avatar of fire.
Doesn't seem to be anything better than ele focus, controlled destruction, conc effect. I was super exited at first getting up to 12.5k dmg in hideout only to notice I didn't have a resistance penetration gem in the weapon.

Having to throw in the cold to fire, as good as it seems is a significant dps loss. Maybe it could be made up with removing elemental focus and using shaper of discord. However that wouldn't help much as general trash dies in 1 cast of WI shocked or not.
Maybe I'll try it before I switch back to 1 opal & pyre. See if it feels better despite the lower tooltip.

Hi...maybe someone asked this before but why elementalist ascendancy instead of occultist for more defenses and more ES and ES recharge?..

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yissus написал:

Hi...maybe someone asked this before but why elementalist ascendancy instead of occultist for more defenses and more ES and ES recharge?..

the defenses occultist offers for this build arent very valuable. everything it provides is stuff that we already have plenty of. (raw ES and quick refilling of this ES.) occultist provides close to nothing for this build's offense.

elementalist, by contrast, provides TONS of damage buffs and a huge defensive bonus (halved reflect taken) in an area where the build would otherwise have a weakness. (for example, it would be impossible or at least extremely risky to run ele reflect with -max on an occultist, its no prob at all on the elementalist.)

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Creds написал:

You made my day - 25ex haha

I don't even give a shit about the rest of what you say, but here is facts :
Shavronne's Wrappings 6.5-7ex
Atziri's Acuity 15-16ex
21.5ex for 2 items, add other items to get a complete stuff and you rapidly reach ~25ex.
Since you are a pussy and don't un-private your profile i can only guess you are following Zahkriisos1337 build, which is probably the case considering your forum posts.

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Aias_o_Telamonios написал:

Have you tested assassin's mark ? Any idea what other gem I could use instead of CD ?

Anything you want, in all cases it will be less efficient.
Orb of Storms works perfectly well to trigger EO + Mastermind of Discord, anyway if you switch for a critical build you still have to manually cast a lightning skill to trigger the fire penetration from Mastermind, so what's the point ?
Of course you can do whatever you want, but in this build everything is well-regulated, with almost any change you are going to lose something important, then you lose efficiency.

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RoCKeTs написал:

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Creds написал:

You made my day - 25ex haha

I don't even give a shit about the rest of what you say, but here is facts :
Shavronne's Wrappings 6.5-7ex
Atziri's Acuity 15-16ex
21.5ex for 2 items, add other items to get a complete stuff and you rapidly reach ~25ex.
Since you are a pussy and don't un-private your profile i can only guess you are following Zahkriisos1337 build, which is probably the case considering your forum posts.

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Aias_o_Telamonios написал:

Have you tested assassin's mark ? Any idea what other gem I could use instead of CD ?

Anything you want, in all cases it will be less efficient.
Orb of Storms works perfectly well to trigger EO + Mastermind of Discord, anyway if you switch for a critical build you still have to manually cast a lightning skill to trigger the fire penetration from Mastermind, so what's the point ?
Of course you can do whatever you want, but in this build everything is well-regulated, with almost any change you are going to lose something important, then you lose efficiency.

sorry but i dont waste my time with trash like you ;)

when I saw your witch I had laugh hard and tears drops.

Out of curiosity Creds what's the cast time of WI on your build? I see in that screenshot 0.77 casts / second by the thread author. This build can get down to 0.30 - 0.35.

Sure a shavs multi aura all unique version of this build is going to do good damange and have great resists but at a significantly increased cost. The buld you're talking about is also running 2x lvl 4 enlightens and 1 lvl 4 empower. Not even close to comparable to this build which can do all endgame content significantly cheaper. It also leeches hp @ 1% damage where this one leeches @ 4%. Yours is also missing fortify. It appears to be following the mantra of what's dead can't hurt you which works quite well in poe.

Not saying the build you're following isn't good - it is but it's different and appears to have a lot less defense and more offence and initial cost.

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Endactam написал:

Out of curiosity Creds what's the cast time of WI on your build? I see in that screenshot 0.77 casts / second by the thread author. This build can get down to 0.30 - 0.35.

Sure a shavs multi aura all unique version of this build is going to do good damange and have great resists but at a significantly increased cost. The buld you're talking about is also running 2x lvl 4 enlightens and 1 lvl 4 empower. Not even close to comparable to this build which can do all endgame content significantly cheaper. It also leeches hp @ 1% damage where this one leeches @ 4%. Yours is also missing fortify. It appears to be following the mantra of what's dead can't hurt you which works quite well in poe.

Not saying the build you're following isn't good - it is but it's different and appears to have a lot less defense and more offence and initial cost.

with Hypothermia 0,32 with cullingstrike 0,30

you can check my Char: Freezing_Cold i use ather gems and depens on wich boss i change them