End game changes mega discussion thread/questionnare.

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raics написал:

Just to be clear about one thing. We did read your posts, Snorkie, however the problem is it covered so much and is so bloody inspired we were pretty much left speechless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CARRbErqjoc

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FarmerTed написал:

The drop rates for curreny are always going to be adjusted based on trading so it doesn't wreck the economy. Bottom Line.

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Snorkle_uk написал:

I love high variance rng. In this post Im going to talk about orb drop rates being too low.

I think its more fun when the rng is wild, a lot of orbs are getting used, and there's a level of stuff that's virtually impossible to ever achieve but its technically possible this next orb or drop could hit exactly that, in theory. but it never actually happens.

[but] its really important we don't go too far. I don't want eternals back. [Instead] I would buff certain orb drop rates and switch all exalt master costs to varying amounts of regals as appropriate.

the orb system is amazing, its incredibly fun to use the orbs but becomes nightmarish when you realize the cost. We just don't get enough currency, no where near enough and it means that inevitably you spend 10, 20, 100 exalts crafting something, and the likelihood is you fail. You then grind for a few days, find an exalt, realize its the first you've found in 4 weeks, then you remember the 100 stack you just saw go up in smoke, and then basically you quit the game and vow never to come back because its a complete waste of time.

Orbs themselves are very fun when you detach from the reality of how many you find and how many other peoples you need to acquire, orbs are an amazing system and I love them.

[Unfortunately] what happens is they accelerated the unique drops so much, give away 5L, 6L cards and prophecies etc. The better tiers of uniques are the same power level as the best you can find rares and replace the need for them. So now after 1 week ... there's nothing left to play for.

A binos, farm for 10k hours over 3 years and the best rare physical crit dagger youre likely to find will be maybe be as powerful as a binos, maybe. Cost you what on average? 100ex? more maybe to craft a rare weapon that good. Was worth 4ex... ok well maybe if I find 25 of them.... no wait only joking, its worth 3 chaos because theres a prophecy for it. Errrr... ok, you realise it still costs 100ex or more to craft that right?

now if I find a bino in the wild, really rare drop, hype? No, its worth nothing. Crafting was already invalid due to the rarity of orbs vs rarity of that dagger, now its 1000x more extra invalidated and every rare i find is invalidated and not only that, even finding the unique itself has now been invalidated, i cant even find any worth in that happening now. Anyone whos got 100 hours spare can go to prophecy and get a council bow, its there go take it. How many exalts to craft a rare bow of the same power? Can it even be done without eternals? I dunno, give me 300 exalts, Ill have a go, Ill let you know if I need another 300 when I run out. So putting that bow in the game is like giving me 300+ exalts for going and playing 100 hours in prophecy. So why am i finding 1 exalt in that 100 hours? What exactly is being protected in terms of power creep here? I dont get it, at all, I got a council bow tho so thanks for that I guess? I can stop crafting harbingers, well, forever now right? Ok.... nice player retention concept.

This is a game about customizing your character, so end of week 2 you got your shavs, end of the line for chests, and u got ur veil, end of the line for hats, and your rainbows standing in for the skyforths you'resaving to simply buy off a website (how exciting zzzz....), consuming/battery/doryanis/divinarius.... all these things are as destructive to gear progression as old school eternal exalted mirrored gear right? with me on that? These slots are DONE forever in a way that it is virtually impossible for a rare item to be without eternals. No individuality, no thought gone into it all beyond read build guide by cookie cutter uniques done. Welcome to the mundane.

D3 is a game where you turn up, over a week get given every cookie cutter unique then the game dies. So is this game atm because you're giving away chase stuff that is a dead end to gear progression like uniques and guaranteed links while completely cutting off 99.99% of your players from being able to continually craft and improve rare gear over time using this amazing currency system that provides an environment where no matter how much you craft you will probably never hit anything 'perfect', ever, so you can always try again for that little bit better over and over. There's no over and over with a shavs, u grind your pathetic 2ex or whatever it is, enough to fail to get a 15%+ evasion roll on a ring craft, go to xyz and buy your shavs off the shelf, done, and when you've done this to all ur slots so is the league.

X unique is balanced because you can craft better! Who can craft better?


What I would change?..

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So In a month of a league I could pull together maybe 10-20 spare exalts to put towards crafting, from my calcs above gonna need more like 130 to 250 to craft just a little bit. So up the drop rate by 12x or something? Well I dunno if we should get that carried away. A lot of that is bench costs, so lets cut what we need in half by getting rid of those. Switch exalt costs to regals, prefixes cant be changed, it costs 2ex, switch it to 20 regals, same with multimod (it was fixed by removing hybrid, it doesn't need to be 2ex, that's insane). If you are farming high end maps you can do regal recipe, incentivize grinding and doing recipe, make me feel like 4 hours playing is worth something, that I'm getting somewhere towards something worth caring about. Regals are super rare through drops anyway. That goes for every bench mod, the %es etc, 10 regals a pop. Let people use the crafting. Then buff exalt drops by 4x to start off and see how that goes.

Double chaos drops imo, a bit more fusing, give slightly more alt shards for vendoring rares and that's it.

Divine, Gcp, Alch, Scour, Chance, all the other stuff leave it alone, its fine. Maybe up vaal orbs or make them drop a lot more in vaaled maps, they do more harm than good and they're fun so why not? Maybe a little buff to all orbs, I think the rest are fine but then most people are not me, nothing that fundamental should be balanced around a player who plays as much as me.

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raics написал:

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FarmerTed написал:

The drop rates for curreny are always going to be adjusted based on trading so it doesn't wreck the economy. Bottom Line.

Well, theoretically, crafting efficiency could be separated from drop rates if it's possible to adjust the weight of high tier mods for each currency type. So, you would have a higher chance to get a high tier mod by using alt orbs compared to full roll with an alch orb, and the chance would be higher yet for regals and highest for exalts.

But I don't think it can be adjusted separately like that. Technically, they could just up the drop rates until it becomes affordable, but then trading will become a chore with prices expressed in hundreds or thousands of exalts or whatever. I suppose that one of the perils of currency with intrinsic value. There's a reason we moved on to basically worthless scraps of paper.

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FarmerTed написал:

They took Eternal Orbs away because there were too many godly items being made. They are not going to up currency drops so that everyone can play, because that would just increase the rate at which godly items are made, which is antithetical to their design philosophy.

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raics написал:

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FarmerTed написал:

They took Eternal Orbs away because there were too many godly items being made. They are not going to up currency drops so that everyone can play, because that would just increase the rate at which godly items are made, which is antithetical to their design philosophy.

I think there's a lot wiggling room there. Eternals were scrapped because it was way too easy to create a mirror class item if you're uber rich, not because everyone and his grandma was crafting so we don't really have any solid proof they have something against more players at least dabbling in it. And for that to happen, the market cost and crafting cost have to be at least in the same ballpark, not an order of magnitude apart.