[outdated] King of the Forest (Crit version)

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malarix1222 написал:

Very sad to say, but unfortunately, this is probably in the top 3 squishiest builds I've played. Probably #2 after Mathil's crit voltaxic LA from 2.1

With 5.5k life, 16k evasion, 30% dodge, 50%+ movespeed, I still feel like so many situations are inescapable due to either being stunlocked or 1-shot. Forget about even trying to run maps with vulnerability or any damage mods.

The damage is pretty sweet, but sadly so much of it's from poison that life leech feels almost nonexistent when you're actually getting hit. Even shooting into huge packs in a Breach, you might as well be chugging a small flask. I'm not sure if it's that I'm not hitting the leech cap, or I am hitting the leech cap and it doesn't matter because it has no mitigation whatsoever to back up the healing.

I'm sure this is an amazing build for fights like Shaper and Atziri where you can just learn the mechanics and dodge 90% of damage, but for general mapping, and especially Breaches, I'd rather run almost literally any other build on this forum.

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malarix1222 написал:

Very sad to say, but unfortunately, this is probably in the top 3 squishiest builds I've played. Probably #2 after Mathil's crit voltaxic LA from 2.1

With 5.5k life, 16k evasion, 30% dodge, 50%+ movespeed, I still feel like so many situations are inescapable due to either being stunlocked or 1-shot. Forget about even trying to run maps with vulnerability or any damage mods.

The damage is pretty sweet, but sadly so much of it's from poison that life leech feels almost nonexistent when you're actually getting hit. Even shooting into huge packs in a Breach, you might as well be chugging a small flask. I'm not sure if it's that I'm not hitting the leech cap, or I am hitting the leech cap and it doesn't matter because it has no mitigation whatsoever to back up the healing.

I'm sure this is an amazing build for fights like Shaper and Atziri where you can just learn the mechanics and dodge 90% of damage, but for general mapping, and especially Breaches, I'd rather run almost literally any other build on this forum.

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Seefourdc написал:

How are you getting stunkocked? I've never once been stunlocked on this build. This is a ranged build with ultra mobility... you can't play it standing right in and face tanking huge packs. I've managed to get huge rifts and finish rift bosses in later maps by simply not standing in the middle of the rift and eating 360 degree damage. I find this build to be more survival mid game tier geared than BV for example. I have very little invested in my gear until I got my reach and I was in red tier maps.

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malarix1222 написал:

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Seefourdc написал:

How are you getting stunkocked? I've never once been stunlocked on this build. This is a ranged build with ultra mobility... you can't play it standing right in and face tanking huge packs. I've managed to get huge rifts and finish rift bosses in later maps by simply not standing in the middle of the rift and eating 360 degree damage. I find this build to be more survival mid game tier geared than BV for example. I have very little invested in my gear until I got my reach and I was in red tier maps.

Of course, and I never said I was standing in the middle of a breach. The problem is, unless you are standing extremely far away from a Breach, you will be getting hit. Unfortunately, evasion does very little against most of the Breach mobs either because they hit too hard and in too great a number, or because they do elemental or chaos damage which is not protected against at all by evasion.

And again, I'm not saying this build isn't an excellent boss killer. I've seen the videos, it obviously is. I'm saying as a general mapper in Breach, you would be better off playing EA, Flameblast, Scorching Ray, anything that can be built with a higher lifepool and not rely on evasion and "not getting hit" in Breaches.

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Seefourdc написал:

You say all that but I'm telling you that the problem isn't the build. It's working just fine for me. If you set your profile to public I will look at your char and troubleshoot it for you but I can assure you it works with almost no investment. I spent 1c a piece on all my rates and I'm wrecking reds with less hp than you.

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malarix1222 написал:

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Seefourdc написал:

You say all that but I'm telling you that the problem isn't the build. It's working just fine for me. If you set your profile to public I will look at your char and troubleshoot it for you but I can assure you it works with almost no investment. I spent 1c a piece on all my rates and I'm wrecking reds with less hp than you.

Set to public, thought it was already. I won't say I'm playing the build flawlessly or making mistakes sometimes. However, when I say it's weak against Breaches for me, I mean that at this point I'm having to skip them 90% of the time if any of my map mods affect them at all. I know in general how to play ranged builds: how to kite, when to blink arrow out, when to hit flasks, etc. I could probably pretty comfortably do normal atziri on my Breach character atm.

Normal map mobs are generally no problem unless I hit an especially nasty bloodline pack/rare or a mean beyond boss. Breaches just absolutely buttsplode me though. Maybe it's partly that I'm not used to the mechanic yet, but I have found literally nowhere to stand onscreen with them that makes me not instantly blow up. If you stand in the middle, you die. No questions asked. If you stand right inside on the edge, you die because they spawn in and surround you no matter where on the edge you stand. If you blink arrow out and stand offscreen, in my experience is relatively safer, but you can still be hit by, for example, the lightning bugs shot out by the lightning breaches that will follow you to the ends of the Earth. Not to mention it's then no longer possible to actually hit any clasped hands, kill the rare mobs, kill mobs on the other side of the Breach (I'm not crossing back over that clusterfuck once I've blinked out, died a couple too many times that way), or anything else; I might as well have skipped it.

There are a few map bosses that give me some trouble, but I think mostly those are just because I'm so used to instantly blowing them up still from last league. I'll just have to adjust back to actually fighting them. If this was any other league (except maybe beyond), I'd probably say this build is at least a decent pick for map clears and a fantastic pick for bosses (I shred most bosses/exiles I've come across with 4-linked barrage). As it is however, in the context of this league this is a mediocre map clearer, at least until you get a huge budget.