PSA: Scorching Ray applies Fire Res debuff even with Ancestral Bond

This most probably is a bug but it is still worth sharing

Scorching Ray does not deal DAMAGE with Ancestral Bond but it DOES apply Fire Resistance debuff on enemies despite skill not hitting nor dealing damage

It is a gray area as Acnestral Bond only talks about damage but yet you cannot apply EE with Orb of Storms + Ancestral Bond and this is somewhat similar (not identical ofc) situation

btw - Scorching Ray is very fun to play (fun in its prime meaning, not 'fun' as in 'OPieOp skill that makes me feel like a god despite me not being able to tell one end of the fireball from the other one')

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sidtherat написал:

despite skill not hitting

That's where you are wrong, it still "hit". AB says nothing about skills not being able to hit targets, it just makes them do no damage.

well.. Scorching Ray does not hit. Ele Penetration, Life Gain on Spell Hit (from Cybil's) and a slew of other on hit effects does not apply

this one however does

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sidtherat написал:

This most probably is a bug but it is still worth sharing

Scorching Ray does not deal DAMAGE with Ancestral Bond but it DOES apply Fire Resistance debuff on enemies despite skill not hitting nor dealing damage

It is a gray area as Acnestral Bond only talks about damage but yet you cannot apply EE with Orb of Storms + Ancestral Bond and this is somewhat similar (not identical ofc) situation

btw - Scorching Ray is very fun to play (fun in its prime meaning, not 'fun' as in 'OPieOp skill that makes me feel like a god despite me not being able to tell one end of the fireball from the other one')

Seems to have two instances... One is the damage instance, the other is the debuff instance. Debuffing without dealing damage seems reasonable with AB in mind.

Does seem reasonable. BTW, curse on hit on i.e. self-cast Ball Lightning does work with AB as well.

so why does the EE fail to work?

EE - enemies you HIT with ... (there is nothing about doing damage to them)

either EE is bugged with Ancestral Bond or Scorching Ray breaks the rules

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sidtherat написал:

so why does the EE fail to work?

EE - enemies you HIT with ... (there is nothing about doing damage to them)

either EE is bugged with Ancestral Bond or Scorching Ray breaks the rules

EE works in the sense that, if you don't deal damage, it can't proc the damage related debuff. And of course EE requires incremental damage, but I'm sure you know about that already.

nothing of this what you said can be found in the descriptions of relevant skills/mechanics

EE requires a HIT - and i know that (there is nothing about dealing damage with that hit)
AB - you cannot deal damage yourself (nothing about a hit - thats why Curse on Hit works)

yet you cannot apply EE with Orb of Storms while AB. why?

if 'it is obvious' - then the Scorching Ray should not apply its Res debuff neither as it 'doesnt make sense'


it is clear case of 'system' that is not really a system but case-by-case application and there are two contradicting cases. one of them is wrong. ill let GGG decide which

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sidtherat написал:

nothing of this what you said can be found in the descriptions of relevant skills/mechanics

EE requires a HIT - and i know that (there is nothing about dealing damage with that hit)
AB - you cannot deal damage yourself (nothing about a hit - thats why Curse on Hit works)

yet you cannot apply EE with Orb of Storms while AB. why?

if 'it is obvious' - then the Scorching Ray should not apply its Res debuff neither as it 'doesnt make sense'


it is clear case of 'system' that is not really a system but case-by-case application and there are two contradicting cases. one of them is wrong. ill let GGG decide which

You cannot apply EE if you run AB and self cast OOS, because you don't deliver an instance of incremental damage. Or rather, you deliver an instance of "0" across the board, which means the game has no basis on which it can determine which resists EE should lower/increase, thus resulting in a "no-proc".

A "hit" always required incremental damage. Which is the reason searing bond cannot apply curses via CoH. It kinda goes down the same route as EE.

In terms of game mechanics, a "hit" can only be applied by skills that deliver damage incrementally. And as I said before, an increment of 0 is unable to proc EE, because the effect of EE is based on damage received on the monsters' end

this is your interpretation of what is going on and why

skill description says only 'being hit with elemental damage'. there is nothing about DOING damage (maybe because it would include DoTs, or maybe because that wasnt their intention).

unless Mark_GGG steps in and explains what is going on ill stick to the knowledge at hand: the skill descriptions

personal interpretations.. are cool and i can even agree with yours but these are only derived guesses

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In terms of game mechanics, a "hit" can only be applied by skills that deliver damage incrementally. And as I said before, an increment of 0 is unable to proc EE.

Life Gain on Hit + Reckoning + Dyaduss Belt + Phys weapon. entire combo deals ZERO damage yet LGoH still applies. maybe it is a rounding error or something but ive found that interesting interaction a year ago or so