[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

finally made 2 shaper runs on hardcore for test, a bit messy, but done pretty ez
running 3 spec (2 vg + 1 wicker) and without AG since using kaom roots
sad thing is both runs i lost 1 of my vg, maybe i should use convocation better, but the most time this retards running out the zana sphere on aoe phase and getting HUGE dmg from balls, not sure how to counter it, should i buy 21 lvl raise spectre or something?

also thinking about optimal way to service shaper now.. what do u think boys? since we need to logout on 10% of shaper and then get our spectres before we comeback, mb open phoenix map on zana's lab and get it there after logout? or use culling strike just idk

btw, the funny thing is: enought damage without 3rd vg, without AG, without any minion damage jewel, without 40% damage enchant. planning to make 1 run with 3 or even 4 vg and AG, mb it will be even easier, but afraid of stunlocks without kaom's roots, dont want to use that pantheon
Последняя редакция: _vnz. Время: 1 окт. 2017 г., 6:17:06
If i take elemental equilibrium, i need constantly to spam ball lightning, otherwise every mob gets +25% resistance to fire?
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Zeros написал:
If i take elemental equilibrium, i need constantly to spam ball lightning, otherwise every mob gets +25% resistance to fire?

no, minions can't proc EE, aswell as damage overtime that they are doing
so you x2 protected from proc fire EE xD
What is beter armor for endgame for this build? and what shield are u guys using? ty
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volosi_nazad написал:
finally made 2 shaper runs on hardcore for test, a bit messy, but done pretty ez
running 3 spec (2 vg + 1 wicker) and without AG since using kaom roots
sad thing is both runs i lost 1 of my vg, maybe i should use convocation better, but the most time this retards running out the zana sphere on aoe phase and getting HUGE dmg from balls, not sure how to counter it, should i buy 21 lvl raise spectre or something?

also thinking about optimal way to service shaper now.. what do u think boys? since we need to logout on 10% of shaper and then get our spectres before we comeback, mb open phoenix map on zana's lab and get it there after logout? or use culling strike just idk

btw, the funny thing is: enought damage without 3rd vg, without AG, without any minion damage jewel, without 40% damage enchant. planning to make 1 run with 3 or even 4 vg and AG, mb it will be even easier, but afraid of stunlocks without kaom's roots, dont want to use that pantheon


Get stun immunity from passive tree by continuing through the block nodes you already get in the guide, this also brings you closer to some other life nodes, you never have to hit left side of the tree for those life nodes this way.

Honestly I don't know why this isn't already part of the original guide at this point, there is 0 reason to not get stun immunity from the tree unless you use Cloak and value that bit of evasion you get.

https://tinyurl.com/ya7tmnrp

Here is my passive treei feel free to use it as referrence and ask me any question you might have regarding it. Also do keep in mind that I have a skullhead with 9 bone offering block enchant which puts me at 75/75 block using a rathpit without having to invest any further in block elsewhere.
Последняя редакция: hedonist. Время: 1 окт. 2017 г., 11:45:19
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volosi_nazad написал:

also thinking about optimal way to service shaper now.. what do u think boys? since we need to logout on 10% of shaper and then get our spectres before we comeback, mb open phoenix map on zana's lab and get it there after logout? or use culling strike just idk

I've tried tier 14 spectres in shaper's realm and they can do the work, you may open a palace or maze map in templar laboratory and finish off the shaper with them and culling strike
about unwavering stance: well will try it for shaper, but for mapping kaom's so much sexier, also immune to temporal chains, chill, freeze, mb i ll just respec for shaper with regret orb to protect from stunlock and get back to kaoms elsewhere.

about spectres/shaper carry etc: do someone have list of mini-boss zones where we can spawn our guys? what i found for sure was Daresso arena, i got both wicker and vg there but it take x10 time longer compared to phoenix map rofl, mb is there some faster arenas

btw, guy with unwavering stance, r u okay with shaper kills? u r missing so many minion life nodes compared to me and even after this shaper aoe phase sometimes oneshot my minions, not sure how u deal with it, mb crazy dmg and u not even getting that phase.
Последняя редакция: _vnz. Время: 1 окт. 2017 г., 12:44:29
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volosi_nazad написал:
about unwavering stance: well will try it for shaper, but for mapping kaom's so much sexier, also immune to temporal chains, chill, freeze, mb i ll just respec for shaper with regret orb to protect from stunlock and get back to kaoms elsewhere.

about spectres/shaper carry etc: do someone have list of mini-boss zones where we can spawn our guys? what i found for sure was Daresso arena, i got both wicker and vg there but it take x10 time longer compared to phoenix map rofl, mb is there some faster arenas

btw, guy with unwavering stance, r u okay with shaper kills? u r missing so many minion life nodes compared to me and even after this shaper aoe phase sometimes oneshot my minions, not sure how u deal with it, mb crazy dmg and u not even getting that phase.


My abandonning lots of minion life nodes were kind of a greedy decision, however the only time I ever lose a minion is if I leave them on lab traps without proper regen available. other than that only thing that is remotely killable is the animate guardian, which indeed does die every now and then if I'm not careful. Otherwise tho, I never even convocate my minions out of shaper beami they simply shrug it off, I do call them inside zana's shield to make sure they don't eat the brunt of his invulnerable phase tho.

The thing with unwavering stance is that you can keep blocking huge hits with no recovery animation thanks to it, I can't fathom giving up 1 spectre for it tho, so passive tree it is for me.
Последняя редакция: hedonist. Время: 1 окт. 2017 г., 13:10:12
I'm pretty new to this whole Spectre business (played SRS a bit last league, but never classic summoner).
So i have a few questions regarding Wickermen and spectres in general:
1) Does minion life scale their RF-like burn ability?
2) If it does scale of life, does Baron worth it for some extra life? (i have no idea how monster life scales with map level, is it flat increase or multiplier?)
3) Blood magic worth it? It's not that far, and has nice hp nodes behind. We don't use auras anyway.
What level 20 gems do you guys Vaal first? Just curious which ones to prioritize in getting to level 21

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