VP was never the problem

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Kastmar написал:

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Faendris написал:

I play all classes as you might have seen from my profile. The slayer you refer to is done (quite obviously at lvl 100). And yes, I use all the broken stuff there is. I know exactly how broken instant leech is because I also levelled a DP VP berserker to 100 this league and I am currently playing a crit-based assassin with acuities. As long as you hold down the right mouse button you are immortal. This is a broken and stupid mechanic. It had to go. I do not mind if I have to adapt. I don't want an "I win button" in this game at all. Not for you not for me not for anyone. As long as it is in the game I will use it - I don't like to play second rate builds.

so how come I'm dead in every map even with VP? How come I'm not immortal?

If you die regularly even with VP, then I guess there is a problem with you build or your skill. I am not a good player (rather slow reaction) and I had not problem at all to do T16/Shaper/etc. with a somewhat well geared DP VP char. Honestly, how can you possibly die as long as you evade the telepgraphed one-shots and keep the right mous button down?

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Rexeos написал:

Problem in this case is only at your side, that you are not able to play other builds. And based on this and your arguments, your personal weakness should not affect other players, who can enjoy game with or without VP.

And thats not only your problem though..

Care to elaborate how you come to the conclusion that I am not able to play other builds or have some sort of personal weaknesses? If I actually were unable to enjoy the game without DP why the heck would I argue in favour of the change? Do we actually have to argue that VP based builds do not require any skill at all to beat the hardest content in the game? Do we have to argue that this is wrong?

"I don't want an "I win button" in this game at all. Not for you not for me not for anyone. As long as it is in the game I will use it - I don't like to play second rate builds." - In this sentences you admitted, that you are not whiling to play "2nd rate builds" from whatever reason, while in fact there are builds which are/can better or more effective than VP builds (as you for sure know), but simply you can not resist fun/feelings VP builds can provide. So you ask somebody else to take such an decision from not only you, but from everybody, and thats weaknesses I was referring to - you need to be guided instead to rule your own decisions. And again, its not only you.

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Apachy написал:

The whole discussion here can be summorised:


...VP wasn't a problem in itself, VP was a result of the (insane) damage spikes ...

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... On the contrary instant leech ALWAYS was the problem...



You know it reminds me - What came first EGG or HEN?

What is the point to argue about it?
Almoust everybody here agreed that a lot of builds severely DEPENDED ON it and it is not a healthy sign for the game.
All we need to know what is the next meta in this game?
If this nerf touch only VP, well, that will be sad.
If they give something in return or change the one-shot mechanic, it will be completely another.

Personally I would prefer to have significantly less DPS and invest more point into defence if this defence gives me a guaranteed protection from one-shots BS.

heres the thing, it already does, and the reason you and others in this thread dont know about it is because vp exists and youve just been speccing that node rather than working out that this "one-shots bs" only happens when you dont properly use defenses.

VP doesnt defend from a 1 shot, it cant bring you back from the dead. Youre not actually talking about 1 shots, a char whos defense is vp is far more open to being 1 shot than a char with defenses. Youre talking about extremely quick bursts of incoming damage from multiple hits or degens, and yes defenses currently in the game are more than capable of protecting against them. If people are unaware of this then that is a sure sign the node needed changed.


People are going on about the reason vp was popular was because of damage spikes, its total nonsense. The damage spikes dont exist if you have a build with even half decent defenses and the reason you people dont know that is because vp exists in its current state. VP and outrageous monster damage are not going hand in hand here, VP and peoples ignorance of defense mechanics are going hand in hand, they dont need to change game balance along with vp. Maybe they could tone shaper down a little, but the rest of the map content that exists right now is just fine as it is without vp in the game. If the new map content is in line with the current map content then there isnt a problem with the game, people just need to rethink the character design. If youre spending 4 points or more getting vp then its literally a case of being a bit more particular with your gears prefixes and maybe switching 1 aura and your cwdt setup around. Maybe youre gonna drop your garbage QotF chest for a lightning coil now, maybe youre gonna stop looking for a rare chest with a life roll and start looking for one with a life roll AND a % defense roll, oh no such a big deal... come on guys, it doesnt even cost more money its just a different search, the items you need are still 1 chaos orb a piece.

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Rexeos написал:

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Faendris написал:

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Rexeos написал:

Problem in this case is only at your side, that you are not able to play other builds. And based on this and your arguments, your personal weakness should not affect other players, who can enjoy game with or without VP.

And thats not only your problem though..

Care to elaborate how you come to the conclusion that I am not able to play other builds or have some sort of personal weaknesses? If I actually were unable to enjoy the game without DP why the heck would I argue in favour of the change? Do we actually have to argue that VP based builds do not require any skill at all to beat the hardest content in the game? Do we have to argue that this is wrong?

"I don't want an "I win button" in this game at all. Not for you not for me not for anyone. As long as it is in the game I will use it - I don't like to play second rate builds." - In this sentences you admitted, that you are not whiling to play "2nd rate builds" from whatever reason, while in fact there are builds which are/can better or more effective than VP builds (as you for sure know), but simply you can not resist fun/feelings VP builds can provide. So you ask somebody else to take such an decision from not only you, but from everybody, and thats weaknesses I was referring to - you need to be guided instead to rule your own decisions. And again, its not only you.

Lots of wild assumptions my friend. I do not have any specific feelings or fun with a VP build that I can not resist. It was an excellent build for getting early shaper kills with very limited effort. It did not require any skill at all and it was not my favourite build by far. Now, my flicker/aegis build that was nerfed to death a couple of leagues ago - that was fun. My point is: VP is broken, it has to go. I know. I used it.

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LowBudget780 написал:

He goes out of his way to play the easiest OP meta builds he can find and then blames shit like VP for making the game to easy.

Those OP meta builds are OP because of VP. Is it really so hard to grasp that this is bad?

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Snorkle_uk написал:

People are going on about the reason vp was popular was because of damage spikes, its total nonsense. The damage spikes dont exist if you have a build with even half decent defenses and the reason you people dont know that is because vp exists in its current state. VP and outrageous monster damage are not going hand in hand here, VP and peoples ignorance of defense mechanics are going hand in hand, they dont need to change game balance along with vp. Maybe they could tone shaper down a little, but the rest of the map content that exists right now is just fine as it is without vp in the game. If the new map content is in line with the current map content then there isnt a problem with the game, people just need to rethink the character design. If youre spending 4 points or more getting vp then its literally a case of being a bit more particular with your gears prefixes and maybe switching 1 aura and your cwdt setup around. Maybe youre gonna drop your garbage QotF chest for a lightning coil now, maybe youre gonna stop looking for a rare chest with a life roll and start looking for one with a life roll AND a % defense roll, oh no such a big deal... come on guys, it doesnt even cost more money its just a different search, the items you need are still 1 chaos orb a piece.

so, if VP is not an issue at all because you can just build defense instead.
then how come it needs a nerf? you're almost saying that VP isnt even that good. and yet you advocate nerfing it :P how does that work?

Snorkle speaks the truth. Defenses are good if built right.

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LowBudget780 написал:

Defenses aren't good at all, at least for marauder anyways. If you stack a bunch of armour and endurance charges you will still get one shot by elemental damage endgame unless you go full shield, block chance regen which is dumb.

Which non telegraphed ele attacks oneshot you?

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Sa_Re написал:

Snorkle speaks the truth. Defenses are good if built right.

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LowBudget780 написал:

Defenses aren't good at all, at least for marauder anyways. If you stack a bunch of armour and endurance charges you will still get one shot by elemental damage endgame unless you go full shield, block chance regen which is dumb.

Which non telegraphed ele attacks oneshot you?

you can easily get offscreened by the xoph boss for example if it spawns at a point where you cant see it.

or if you're doing a breach on a beyond map, and the one with corpse explosion spawns, the indicators for the explosions arent really visible in a breach.

or just plain getting alkaizerd by those chaos spewing little shits when you open a door.

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magicstop написал:

We'll see you soon.

I've vendored everything except for 1 tab and deleted every character and only made a new one.

Check my characters if you don't believe me. I only kept some items so I could list them for 1 alt, so people would see my char's name on top of every page of poe.trade.

I won't come back. This is final.

Check out this video. If the game is going to be played like is presented, than it will be more like Grim Dawn type.. Lets see what is prepared for us..

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CaptainWARLORD написал:

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magicstop написал:

We'll see you soon.

I've vendored everything except for 1 tab and deleted every character and only made a new one.

Check my characters if you don't believe me. I only kept some items so I could list them for 1 alt, so people would see my char's name on top of every page of poe.trade.

I won't come back. This is final.

Wow you sound like ProjectPT. Ever heard of him?

The sooner people accept that Path of exile is a ever changing game the better. I know. I used to play Standard for a long time, now i only play the new leagues and im having a blast. Even tough the game is looking more like d3 in a sense, poe is still the nr1 ARPG out there. Once you played Poe, its hard playing anything else cuz it sucks donkey balls. Poe 4 life yo.

Fyi i still got my mirrors and exalts on STD, sometimes i like loging in there just to look at them. So pretty alas so useless, one day ill give away the mirrors and all the exalts like Barbara_jay did, if any1 remembers him LUL.

And if any1 cant make a build without using VP they have no clue how to make builds Roflmao :D!