Path of Nerfs

good bye dark pact

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Slicer9875 написал:

I just don't see how you're supposed to survive any more if you're melee.

Is it possible they are willing to run with obviating melee in this universe just as it happened in ours? Imagine if the NPCs made mention of it. Like "I'm old enough to remember when some people actually tried to run up to the monsters and hit them with a piece of metal."

Imagine if they actually let the setting evolve for real like that and started subverting core arpg tropes.

I liked all these changed tbh. Going to be interesting seeing the values of the new vulnerability gem. Only pity physical builds (except phys wanderers/bladefall) traditionally don't have easy access to the multiple curse nodes top left without sacrificing too many points.

Nerf me, nerf me. I'll still make a cleave build and fuck the end game. Try and stop me

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Slicer9875 написал:

I really hope they buffed evasion/Acro. I just don't see how you're supposed to survive any more if you're melee.

Slayer nerf is really mostly just a compensation for them having easy access to the new vaal pact. They're not going to be much weaker than they are now. So I think the answer to what you're supposed to do will be: roll slayer.

Juggernaut too, I suppose. I've done juggernauts through to shaper with a focus on regen.

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Karpola написал:

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Ziul написал:

Conclusion

Never gonna get on lv 100, again.

Never gonna get on lv 100, ever.

These exp nerfs make it a bit longer for the 0,1% only!
Beachhead was in a league of it's own (literally) so nerfing exp gain just because of it is insane. Same with Mayhem and Turmoil, can't justify.

Regular people will never reach 100 since they just keep increasing the exp requirements.
I was going to try for 100 in the next league, but it just keeps getting harder and harder.

Just to further elaborate your point:

Exp/h will very likely get a nerf in 3.1, unless something dramatic happens (which we don't know yet):

- Beachheads are gone (a way to speed up the leveling process for people without top-notch builds and a mass suply of sextants)

- all good exp-maps were heavily nerfed in terms of layout or sextants (as of now, I might be wrong): Shore, Dunes, Canyon, 2.6 Strand. The Exp-manifesto might bring another decrease of exp/h in open maps as well.

- top tier clearbuilds (VPS) were nerfed in multiple ways.

That 40% Exp reduction from 99-100 is on TOP of all this. Effectively it might very well be larger than this.

About the complains: There could be various groups of people complaining:
- (1) The top-groups in HC/SC
- (2) The SSF racers
- (3)Tryhard playing non-racers
- (4) Casual people who are going for max lvl 90 and are complaining about the short races to lvl 100

From the reactions of some SSF streamers things aren't that clear-cut as people might suspect reading the manifesto. Not even speaking about the more "casual" players. The groups in (1) are very much above the rest (talking about FAR less than 0,1% people here!) and are basically playing a different game. It is quite important to balance the Exp around them (since they are the people going for first 100 after all) - but is it not too much to ONLY balance around them?

Some facts:
-playing POE since april 2014 (almost 4 years soon)
-casual player who only plays new leagues
-playing a number of hours/week higher than average casuals who have a life and job, because my job has quite a flexible program
-never killed Uber Atziri, Shaper or all Guardians on my own
-highest level reached ever 91, and that was with the help of some build invented by somebody who actual have the time/interest/focus to make such a concept from existing un-nerfed skills and in an acceptable budget (dont even get me started on "trade", which is an absolute requirement to acquire in a temp league the budget needed for end-game content viable build/items)

And if u want to see some more facts, check the number of characters who achieved level 100 in Harbinger legue, over a 3 months span or more, EXACTLY 1393 players.
If we take a conservative number of only 300.000 players playing this league somewhat seriously, that is a whooping 0.46 % of players reaching max level. Percentage is probably much much lower since i think player base must be higher and also multiple characters can belong to same person/nolife/streamer etc.

So that is < 0.46% is considered by GGG to be the steering force that should drive the changes around, not the 99.5% others who arent so visible and vocals, who doesnt post 20 times/day on forum, reddit and whatnot.
I say that might only work until those 99% or a significant chunk of them goes away to other games and let them elites play by themselves.
Peace!

I never hd a level 100 character, my maximum ws 95 and 50% exp. I guess i'll now never go past 95.

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Innomen написал:

X) I'm genuinely always trying to consider the feelings of the people I'm talking to, thanks for noticing. I often however assume they are of a sort that aren't going to be emotionally damaged by my unfiltered replies.

I still want you to say whether or not D2 is a casual game.

if you say yes, then remember (or google if you can't rememeber) how long does reaching level 99 take in the classic version without grush or any type of cheats (obviously grush cant be used in classic) by simply killing monsters.

d2 was never really a casual game until they introduced power creep in LoD and most players still used cheats (ie grush) to get high levels

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Chris написал:

Each league, the race to 100 is over more quickly than the previous one, as players become more efficient and the experience available gets larger. We receive overwhelming feedback (including from top racers) that this process should be made longer. We're going to be careful though, and just adjust it a bit at a time.

Thank you both for changing it and not doing so by too much, too quickly.