They actually managed to do worse than bestiary

Ain't minion skills notorious for being bad at the very beginning? Especially when you're using zombies/skele which are limited in numbers until you get passive points.
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robmafia написал:


...wait, wait, wait...

now having a quill rain or storm cloud (you know, the bow that's EVERYWHERE and commonly vendored for the alch shards?!) is "twinked?"

wow.




Are you arguing that a 3 link Stormcloud is going to beat out Sunder the king of rushing?


Rofl.



Get more than 2 achievements, please stop complaining about Incursions.
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allbusiness написал:




Are you arguing that a 3 link Stormcloud is going to beat out Sunder the king of rushing?


Rofl.



Get more than 2 achievements, please stop complaining about Incursions.


...wtf are you talking about?


try READING my posts next time. i specifically said i made a minion char to see if the complaints were accurate. and i just cleared better with a 2L firestorm. hahaha. so... yeah, the complaints are pretty accurate.

ranged fares much better than melee/minions.

...also, from what i can tell, one's better off in incursions with a storm cloud and LA/SA/etc than sunder, at least for early levels.

hurr durr, the combined 2 hours i played only yielded 2 achievements?! OH NOES! better keep playing a league i don't like so that some white knight can find another one-size-fits-all insult to use!


tl;dr -

backpedal from claiming storm cloud is "twinked" to some bizarre claim about sunder
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Последняя редакция: robmafia#7456. Время: 4 июн. 2018 г., 02:22:02
Pretty sure you want to check what twinked means. Having Storm Cloud from the very first level you can use it is twinked. Not that it is super difficult to do, but you usually don't get one from drop that early on.

You can use minion gem AND firestorm that early on, so that you actually clear quick enough...
But then again you can sit here and complain instead (and if I recall correctly, you sure enjoy complaining about petty stuff).

Whatever floats your boat. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also: Sunder is technically melee. Sunder slams mobs like motherfucker (TBH even Ground Slam is slamming like motherfucker, but whatever).
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petty stuff... you know, like a game being laughably imbalanced.

it's nice that a 2nd person is now pretending that sunder had something to do with my point. somewhere. ever.

and ffs, if a storm cloud is "twinked," i'm not the one that needs to "git gud."

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You can use minion gem AND firestorm that early on, so that you actually clear quick enough...


...

you two just don't even read these posts, do you?

i cleared just fine with a 2L firestorm and ZERO passives/affixes that would benefit it. spell damage? none. cast speed? none.

when a spell gem with one whole support gem and nothing at all else outperforms numerous 3L setups in simultaneous use (zombies + srs or skel) with numerous passives/affixes... there's a problem.
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robmafia написал:
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allbusiness написал:




Are you arguing that a 3 link Stormcloud is going to beat out Sunder the king of rushing?


Rofl.



Get more than 2 achievements, please stop complaining about Incursions.


...wtf are you talking about?


try READING my posts next time. i specifically said i made a minion char to see if the complaints were accurate. and i just cleared better with a 2L firestorm. hahaha. so... yeah, the complaints are pretty accurate.

ranged fares much better than melee/minions.

...also, from what i can tell, one's better off in incursions with a storm cloud and LA/SA/etc than sunder, at least for early levels.

hurr durr, the combined 2 hours i played only yielded 2 achievements?! OH NOES! better keep playing a league i don't like so that some white knight can find another one-size-fits-all insult to use!


tl;dr -

backpedal from claiming storm cloud is "twinked" to some bizarre claim about sunder





1) Minions are notoriously bad early game. Everyone knows this. There's a reason why no one levels as minions but as Firestorm. This has been going on since like........ day 1 of open beta, so not sure why you think it would be any different now.

2) You can't get a Stormcloud early right off the bat with 0 currency, especially on day 1 of a league. If we're playing the 'I have leveling uniques' then I have a tabula 6 link with sunder and seven league steps.

3) You're actually pretty awful at the game, and it's pretty evident based on the fact that you think Incursions are difficult or something. And no, Stormcloud will not outclear Sunder. Sunder will shit on Stormcloud for days unless you have a 6 link (aka Tabula). At lower levels of links, Sunder is king and wins out 100% of the time, as do many other decent skills (Traps in particular will be faster on lower levels of links).
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allbusiness написал:





1) Minions are notoriously bad early game. Everyone knows this. There's a reason why no one levels as minions but as Firestorm. This has been going on since like........ day 1 of open beta, so not sure why you think it would be any different now.


*WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH*

saying it's a problem and everyone knows it's a problem doesn't somehow magically make it... not a problem. that was only exactly the point, so i can see how you somehow missed it, since it was only literally stated in most of my posts.

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allbusiness написал:
2) You can't get a Stormcloud early right off the bat with 0 currency,


1. who said anything about "0 currency?" since when is literally zero currency some sort of standard?

2. it costs... ONE WHOLE ALCH. yes, ANYONE can get a whole alch in time to use it.

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allbusiness написал:
especially on day 1 of a league. If we're playing the 'I have leveling uniques' then I have a tabula 6 link with sunder and seven league steps


yeah, 1 alch vs numerous chaos. same thing, though, right? right? i don't even play this game, anymore. what's your excuse for being this ignorant about it?

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allbusiness написал:
3) You're actually pretty awful at the game,


hahahahahahahahahaha



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allbusiness написал:
and it's pretty evident based on the fact that you think Incursions are difficult or something.


lolwut?

READING MASTERY!

nowhere did i say or imply such. seriously, try actually reading the posts you're responding to. you CLEARLY didn't.


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allbusiness написал:
And no, Stormcloud will not outclear Sunder. Sunder will shit on Stormcloud for days unless you have a 6 link (aka Tabula). At lower levels of links, Sunder is king and wins out 100% of the time, as do many other decent skills (Traps in particular will be faster on lower levels of links).


1. we're not talking about general clearspeed, this is about incursions.
2. why do you keep pretending this is about sunder?
3. traps are also worse than firestorm.

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allbusiness написал:





1) Minions are notoriously bad early game. Everyone knows this. There's a reason why no one levels as minions but as Firestorm. This has been going on since like........ day 1 of open beta, so not sure why you think it would be any different now.


*WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH*

saying it's a problem and everyone knows it's a problem doesn't somehow magically make it... not a problem. that was only exactly the point, so i can see how you somehow missed it, since it was only literally stated in most of my posts.

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allbusiness написал:
2) You can't get a Stormcloud early right off the bat with 0 currency,


1. who said anything about "0 currency?" since when is literally zero currency some sort of standard?

2. it costs... ONE WHOLE ALCH. yes, ANYONE can get a whole alch in time to use it.

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allbusiness написал:
especially on day 1 of a league. If we're playing the 'I have leveling uniques' then I have a tabula 6 link with sunder and seven league steps


yeah, 1 alch vs numerous chaos. same thing, though, right? right? i don't even play this game, anymore. what's your excuse for being this ignorant about it?

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allbusiness написал:
3) You're actually pretty awful at the game,


hahahahahahahahahaha



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allbusiness написал:
and it's pretty evident based on the fact that you think Incursions are difficult or something.


lolwut?

READING MASTERY!

nowhere did i say or imply such. seriously, try actually reading the posts you're responding to. you CLEARLY didn't.


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allbusiness написал:
And no, Stormcloud will not outclear Sunder. Sunder will shit on Stormcloud for days unless you have a 6 link (aka Tabula). At lower levels of links, Sunder is king and wins out 100% of the time, as do many other decent skills (Traps in particular will be faster on lower levels of links).


1. we're not talking about general clearspeed, this is about incursions.
2. why do you keep pretending this is about sunder?
3. traps are also worse than firestorm.





Minions have been bad at leveling early since the beginning of time. The problem isn't Incursions, it's that minion scaling early is awful.


Two, good luck getting a Stormcloud starting out with nothing. Not everyone gets an Alch early. Even if you did, Sunder still shits on it as well as Traps, Firestorm, Freezing Pulse, etc. because they simply have more dps.


Three, Incursions are fine, especially at maps. They inherit map mods so all this bitching early on is ridiculous.


And new traps are not worse than Firestorm, they are significantly faster especially Arc Traps on a 3 link.



Finally, if you don't play the game anymore go somewhere else or don't post about the league if you're not willing to take the time to learn the league or play it out.
Последняя редакция: allbusiness#6050. Время: 4 июн. 2018 г., 03:13:23
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allbusiness написал:



Minions have been bad at leveling early since the beginning of time. The problem isn't Incursions, it's that minion scaling early is awful.


...seriously. do you even read this? what number is typed here? 139


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allbusiness написал:
Two, good luck getting a Stormcloud starting out with nothing. Not everyone gets an Alch early.



you
can't
be
serious.

right, people can't ID/vendor items for alch shards, either. nope. unpossible. no alchs drop and no one can ever come up with such a hefty sum!

golly, 6 alchs at level 20? i must be the luckiest player ever!



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allbusiness написал:
Finally, if you don't play the game anymore go somewhere else or don't post about the league if you're not willing to take the time to learn the league or play it out.


you've been so eager to argue against any possible criticism of the game that you don't even know what the argument's about.

please see my post on page 5, the first of my posts here. literally self-explanatory.


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allbusiness написал:
And new traps are not worse than Firestorm, they are significantly faster


yeah, this was 100% wrong.

explosive trap was pretty ehh. it was do-able, but far from fast. firestorm blew it out of the water.
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