How Poe elites ruined Bestiary AND Incursion - Bestiary you will be missed.

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Qiox написал:

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Lewnatic написал:

tl;dr:Players don´t see the whole picture in game-dev for that reason GGG made the wrong decision to listen to the reddit powergamers instead of looking at the play statistics.

Like do you honestly believe that shit you just typed? Do you just imagine something stupid like that and then assume it is the truth?

It's like we are not even the same species. How the fuck can you think something so stupid? GGG ignored the stats.... holy fucking hell.

Whats wrong here? Bestiary was played by 81.000 Players on peak day. And Still by 16.000 Players on its final day which is pretty good for a "bad league". And yeah it performed better on peak and average than Abyss.

The only stupid person is you because you add nothing more to the discussion.

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Lewnatic написал:

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Qiox написал:

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Lewnatic написал:

tl;dr:Players don´t see the whole picture in game-dev for that reason GGG made the wrong decision to listen to the reddit powergamers instead of looking at the play statistics.

Like do you honestly believe that shit you just typed? Do you just imagine something stupid like that and then assume it is the truth?

It's like we are not even the same species. How the fuck can you think something so stupid? GGG ignored the stats.... holy fucking hell.

Whats wrong here? Bestiary was played by 81.000 Players on peak day. And Still by 16.000 Players on its final day which is pretty good for a "bad league". And yeah it performed better on peak and average than Abyss.

The only stupid person is you because you add nothing more to the discussion.

Lol, I think he actually believes that. What's there to add when you live in an illusion.

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Bananaplasm написал:

Lol, I think he actually believes that. What's there to add when you live in an illusion.

Facts = Illusions. Santaclause and the Holocaust is an Illusion But not the poe stats. X)

http://steamcharts.com/app/238960

Man I’ve played pure SSF since very early days and did NOT feel the way you did about Bestiary.

And I’ve had a nice sinusoidal relationship with Incursion so far. Great early, hit a wall in act V where I failed all 11 incursions, upgraded my main hander and then started loving it again.

The design is def not average accesible from the start. I can see how anyone relatively new or part time in the game will Find it hard to like Incursion long enough to get to maps.

Polishment. Love it. I’m using it in a meeting tomorrow.

Tokens - powerplayers.

Lmao. Bestiary was clunky and pointless. The very moment you reached somewhat not-terrible gear it became pointless.

Oh, by the way. You may have missed that, so I'll remind you - SSF WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE FOCUS FOR BALANCING. PLAYING SSF IS YOUR OWN CHOICE, AND IS MEANT TO BE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGE. IF YOU'RE EXPECTING BALANCE TO BE MADE SO THAT SSF IS EASIER, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

Hope it gets through this time. :) Pretty sure other people who play SSF will agree on that one. Last time I heard they played it so that progression is longer, there is more grind and so on.
And if you need special mechanics to change it back to fast progression, why are you even playing SSF?

What are you talking about? This league is amazing, and bestiary was horrible.

Ok.. 2 challenges, low level characters only.. nvm

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Arrowneous написал:

I'm very concerned that Einhar Frey will not be able to release all the caged beasts back to their habitat.

Release them? You've met Frey, right? He's totally going to eat all those animals.

On a more serious thread related note: I think Bestiary was fine for a league, but I don't really want it to be part of the regular game*. I have issues with Incursion, but no more than I had with Bestiary this early in the league. There were lots of teething problems with Bestiary, there's no reason to think Incursion won't be getting some polish over the next couple of weeks.

*And I play SSF pretty much exclusively, so don't try to make it an SSF vs the rest sort of thing. I ain't one of those "elites" either.

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Lewnatic написал:

c.) Anti-RNG: [...] But this not only counts towards leveling beastcrafts. Take the +3 white socket beastcraft and the +30% corruption beastcraft for example.

After over 200 hours of bestiary, I've only managed to get two portals to First ones. I only got the 30% recipe because I caved in and bought the beasts for the challenge.
Highend beasts being gated by rng was horrendous.

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Shagsbeard написал:

I would like to say that I agree that they could have kept Bestiary... but it would have required a ton of work. Much easier to dump it and save those hours for other tasks.

^This

Bestiary could have been a good league, but it wasnt.
And it wasnt a good league because it was "anti clearspeed". It wasnt good, because GGG decided to produce the league on an "aggressive schedule", they ran into unexpected issues and were unable to fix those issue throughout the entire league.

If they cant fix it in 3 months time, it has to go.
If they would have invested even more time, the production of future leagues would be forced into another "aggressive schedule" to make room for fixing old unpolished content, which means the future leagues would have been equally unfinished and unpolished and as result would inevitably lead to decline.

On the bright side:
- GGG realized that and instead of sinked more time into Bestiary, they culled it
- They changed their production cycle only based on the experiences they made during Bestiary


So Im happy Bestiary existed, but Im even more happy its gone for good.