Someone Please explain one player having 10 Mirros in incursion?

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trixxar написал:

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So they give away lots of loot, for subscribers, and rake in rewards with viewers.

I am surprised GGG considers this RMT, but I get where they are coming from. Nontheless the streamer disclosed it on Reddit and accepted his punishment which indicates that it was more of a one time thing so I wouldn't really say it proves your point.

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trixxar написал:

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So they give away lots of loot, for subscribers, and rake in rewards with viewers.

So its a loop. Give away game money, get real $$ from streaming, buy more ingame money, repeat. Outlined here. This one particular person asked about legality but

But Im faking it? Thats FROM someone doing it.

Tweets are deleted now, maybe got caught, here is reddit on it, someone near middle tookscreenshots
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/8e5mhj/poe_twitch_streamer_goodideagaming_discussing_his/




I dont know or care if one particular team uses RMT. Maybe the 10 mirror guy is just the bank for a 100 person guild.

My real point is only that its prevalent.

fyndel isnt a streamer and he doesnt give away his money.

That thing u quoted doesnt show someone doing this 'loop', it certainly doesnt suggest rmt. He just did giveaways on his stream and GGG said they dont like it because it could be considered using in game items to get real world money. Thats not actually what hes doing, hes not using real money to buy items to give to subs to get back real money, hes just making a lot of money in the league and then giving it away. A lot of ppl who only play leagues give away their shit at the end of the league, thats normal, GGG just dont want you doing it on a stream that is a potential revenue source. Its a matter of theoretical principal more than anything.

The way you talk about it completely misrepresents that situation, youre talking 2 + 2 and ending up with 73.

The 10 mirror guy isnt a bank, if its fyndel then hes simply a guy with 10 mirrors, the other people in his guild will have their own mirrors. Theres no maybes, you can watch the podcast and they detail exactly what they do, the amounts of currency involved, the team members, the tasks, the tactics, the spreadsheets they use, the preparation, how santas little helpers get their cuts etc. Its actually laid out in factual detail, rather than vague accusations, maybes, jumping to conclusions, over reading situations etc.

what exactly is prevalent?

In that podcast fyndel himself talks about private indexers, bots, rmters, how the bots/rmters are the big problem in the game etc. No one denies rmt exists.

Many streamers openly admit to rmt to get themselves started in a league? Ok, name 3 of them, they wont mind they openly admit it, just name 3 of these 'many' streamers.

streamers rmt rofl, if people who played 8 hours a day needed to RMT the game would be unplayable for us plebs, the SSF guys consistently make more currency without access to trade than I do selling the occasional valuable item I pickup its just an efficiency thing.

I play more interesting builds though ^^

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Snorkle_uk написал:

lol. Mate its fyndel, getting 10 mirrors asap is his goal in every league. He was on Paleos podcast over a year ago explaining how he gets 10 mirrors virtually every league in a matter of weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-xnIxfK92M&t=548s

if you want to talk in absolutes about what is possible and what is not you should probably watch it and get up to speed on what these sort of ppl have been doing for years. This info isnt hidden, if ppl rly care to know about the game then they watch the podcasts and already know all this stuff.

They clearly talk in that podcast how one guy is doing all the trading for them. As suspected they have bitchbois doing the dirty job for them trading maps and flipping at leveling phase and then getting all that stuff to what they call "the pushing group". And hey i don't blame him for using bitchbois that's what they are for.

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IIPheXII написал:

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Snorkle_uk написал:

lol. Mate its fyndel, getting 10 mirrors asap is his goal in every league. He was on Paleos podcast over a year ago explaining how he gets 10 mirrors virtually every league in a matter of weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-xnIxfK92M&t=548s

if you want to talk in absolutes about what is possible and what is not you should probably watch it and get up to speed on what these sort of ppl have been doing for years. This info isnt hidden, if ppl rly care to know about the game then they watch the podcasts and already know all this stuff.

They clearly talk in that podcast how one guy is doing all the trading for them. As suspected they have bitchbois doing the dirty job for them trading maps and flipping at leveling phase and then getting all that stuff to what they call "the pushing group". And hey i don't blame him for using bitchbois that's what they are for.

I can not really fathom why players would so willingly be used by others as trade mules. Where does one find such players? Are they being paid out at the end of the league by their masters?

You have no idea how fast you can build currency early in the league with a few methods.

Here is some of my favorite early league currency building methods:

1. Selling elder/shaper ilvl80+ bases early on. Sceptres, daggers, quivers, helms. These things sell LIKE HOT CAKES. 50 chaos to 5ex for certain ones early on.

2. Lab farming + enchanting white ilvl 84+ helms / unique helms. Huge profit to be had here with an efficent lab farmer. Some lion pelts or burgonets with the proper enchant and ilvl sell for like 1-5 exalt easily.

3. Carry services. You bascally trade a small amount of your time for chance at big profits with services that can earn you 20-30-40% of item drops for other people on the carry runs. Watcher eyes etc etc etc.

4. Master services. Some people all they do early league is run masters and get to 8 super fast. Check out TreeOfDead master services. That guy MAKES A FORTUNE, every league like that.

5. Being online all day long, set up your item indexers to find the correct items and buy cheap - resell for a profit.'

It really isn't rocket science. But the most important factor is PUTTING IN THE REQUIRED HOURS. Play every goddam day of the week for many hours. Be efficient at what you choose to do.

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Nephalim написал:

I can not really fathom why players would so willingly be used by others as trade mules. Where does one find such players? Are they being paid out at the end of the league by their masters?

They probably getting paid shit. It's just one guy that takes all the credit usually. I recall in another podcast zizaran talking how they had one guy trading and another farming uber lab when they were pushing in turmoil race or smth like that. Who gets the rank 1 in the leaderboard? Is the guys that was doing the dirty job for fyndel being metioned here? No, people are talking how the guy has 10 mirrors.

As said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxdwEOpGknk "Some of them want to use you, some of them want to get used by you. Some of them want to abuse you, some of them want to be abused". They simply exist and certain people are quick to pounce on them.

A newish player will have fun helping a top player, and will probably make 10 times more value on it than he normally would have without the top player connection.

well, its flippers right. Some people just like playing the economy, flipping gear, trading all day.

They talk in that podcast about how it works, a guy has 30c, they get him to go buy them breach splinters and he can double his 30c every 10-15 mins. the guys got a private indexer, he goes around trying to mass buy ppls full stock of splinters from anyone with a bulk of them at a discount on market price, and then voc and fyndel will overpay them slightly on market rates for the splinters they get, the difference in the amounts the little elf then keeps.

If you are the sort of person who flips, this is just giving you a focus, giving you a dedicated buyer for your flips so you can instantly sell and then buy more without going through listing and worrying about if your shit will sell etc. Youre flipping to order and making your flippers profits from them. The talk about the ppl doing the bitching for them having their own mirrors etc, these ppl are making a ton of money that theyre then pumping back into their own flipping ventures on the side etc.

There was a post on the forums a while ago from a guy who flipped his way to 2 mirrors in 2 weeks, and he was having to borrow currency from his guild tog et going because he wasnt actually playing, how some of the things he invested in didnt pay off etc. This takes away all that, it gives you a bank behind you to keep you funded, gives you a shopping list of guaranteed money flips. Voc said he himself was bitching for the group at points early on.


In the past when ppl in my guild were running atziri Id run around in docks etc gathering frags for them, and then running down frags in a map device to turn them into full sets. When they were running uber Id chain normal atziri to build mortal sets for them. Now, was I bitching for them? Ya sort of. But consider that Im vastly richer than them virtually every league, nothing theyre doing I couldnt do, Im a vastly more wealthy and experienced player than them, I just dont care. Theyre my friends, theyre having fun, Im helping them out and together were enjoying the little venture.

When I was making those lyco shields in bestiary it got to the point where I was making so many of them it was getting annoying to sell them, Id list them for 2ex when market average was 2.2 cause I wanted quick sales in order to fund making more shields. I noticed 2 guys constantly messaging me, they had bought 10+ shields off me in a single day, so I just got talking to one of them and said hey, you flipping these shields Im selling? You want me to just message you every time I have 3 of them for 2ex each and you buy in bulk rather than going through poe.trade and potentially lowering the market value by my constant undercutting? Yep. So I was just selling in bulk to these flippers for the ease of it. Were they bitching for me? Sort of, but it wasnt even a precalculated thing, he was already flipping, I was already upgrading the shields, it just came together naturally, no one was really the underling, we were just both profiting from the interaction.


So I dont think it rly has to be a pathetic individual, these guys probably dont care about ladder ranks etc, theyre just making more money than they would make on their own and theyre enjoying being part of a team effort with their friends. Someone has to be the goalkeeper right? Not everyone can be the striker scoring the goals, or even wants to be.

It's A digital ecosystem. The complex of digital organisms, their virtual environment, and all their interrelationships in a particular unit of space (PoE). One of the things that make the game great.