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I think it’s more than fair to call out the weaknesses of a build. It doesn’t make it bad or wrong it just explains what the short comings are. Any decent build with heavy investment can be great so that’s a mute point. This build trades single target and survivability for fast clearing and it is very good at that.
I am just pointing out that that trade off is objectively pretty big in this build.
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СообщениеCruxation19 мая 2019 г., 18:41:58
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I think it’s more than fair to call out the weaknesses of a build. It doesn’t make it bad or wrong it just explains what the short comings are. Any decent build with heavy investment can be great so that’s a mute point. This build trades single target and survivability for fast clearing and it is very good at that.
I am just pointing out that that trade off is objectively pretty big in this build.
Indeed, it just seems weird to me that people act surprised, bummed, or disappointed when they can't kill bosses, Betrayal content, Bestiary content, etc. yet their characters are abyssmal, and it is stated several times within the first few paragraphs of the guide that this is how it's going to be.
Have you tried completing a couple Betrayal encounters on your previous Windripper build on a 5L with no jewels, enchantments or even uber lab finished? You can't - and does the build suck? I'm afraid not. This is the point I want to make: I am very sorry that you can't achieve better results, but dear the build definitely can.
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Сообщениеb0moodc19 мая 2019 г., 18:59:55
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Yikes, you need a hug.
Also I'm just running burial chambers and to answer your question yes Windripper can do that at this level of gear. Not trying to take down uber elder on a clearspeed build.
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СообщениеCruxation19 мая 2019 г., 19:09:51
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Yikes, you need a hug.
Also I'm just running burial chambers and to answer your question yes Windripper can do that at this level of gear. Not trying to take down uber elder on a clearspeed build.
I need a hug as much as you and the "I am following this guide and my character sucks" gang need to realise that when I say "☑ Awful single-target unless very invested" and "there is the tradeoff of giving up single-target capabilities", I mean it. But realistically, 80% of the people complaining about their characters simply haven't taken the time and care to put together coherent characters. Countless times I've been able to list half a dozen major flaws in characters people link. Is it my responsibility then or is there a chance such people are in the wrong? Don't lie to yourself and throw shade on people's works, and instead try to adopt a mindset in which you are held accountable for your efforts, successes, and failures.
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Сообщениеb0moodc19 мая 2019 г., 19:18:11
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Well.. after playing the build for some time (although without watchers eye and unnatural instinct) I have to say....
Build is fun, clearing maps/delve is fast and chains are great... but... The survivality absolutely sucks. Even with jade flasks, evade on focus and vaal grace.... there is so many times when you will get absolutely rekt.
I have played winter orb occultist when it came out... the gameplay was basicaly the same (you just have to cast WO for a sec every now and then... otherwise you are runing all the time as well)... but you could have 10k+ ES... 4.5+5k hp is just not enough.
I'll agree to some of your points. The build is very fast but not THAT much faster than WO and it definitely feels worse than the Windripper character I played last flashback. The reason is because of survivability and literally 0 single target damage though. I pretty much have to skip all bestiary mobs, incursion bosses map bosses and much more. I never had to do this with my Windripper build even when it wasn't heavily invested. I am gonna keep rolling through this character for the league though and get a 6L calamity, unnatural instinct and watchers eye before its over and see how much better it can get.
This is a run straight go fast build for sure though.
Well, I don't really have problem with killing bosses, I am just squishy while doing so. you might try to change your boots setup to Blade flurry + Faster Attacks + Additional Accuracy + Inc crit chance. It should improve your single target and make the crits much more reliable.
After making the previous post, I have switched some points and invested in Acro + Phase acro. With Vaal grace I am capped on dodge chance and 63% spell dodge.. With this regular map boss fights feel soo much better.
When I was fighting elder in T8 map. I ditched HoT, took tabula and used BF + FastA + Inc Crit + CoC + FrostBolt + Ele Focus, used Hatred and FrostBolt jewel.
Also I just realized, that malachai ring with ele equilibrium with armageddon brand could be absolutely huge dps boost for bosses like guardians/shaper/elder (when you dont have the watchers eye + hatred in worm ring combo)
Thanks for advice on the single target! been trying it out the past few maps and it has a helped a ton. I was messing around with different setups but this seems to be the best so far.
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СообщениеCruxation19 мая 2019 г., 19:18:17
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Well, I wasn't saying that the build sucks. Actualy I basicaly wrote that the basic fast-clear capability of the build is there even on a budget - which is a huge plus. And damage is also there, clearing 8 mod T12 Racecourse wasn't a problem dmg-wise.
My problems about the defenses don't really have much to do with my arguably bad eq. All expensive pieces I miss are dmg, dmg and more dmg. The only defense of the build is vaal grace with pantheon power which I think is a problem - because you are not killing everything instantly when playing on budget, so shit actually hits you from time to time. So I made some suggestions to other people if they bother to read through how to - in my oppinion - improve the defensive layers when you don't insta kill everything yet.
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СообщениеNathaniell12319 мая 2019 г., 19:51:04
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Well, I wasn't saying that the build sucks. Actualy I basicaly wrote that the basic fast-clear capability of the build is there even on a budget - which is a huge plus. And damage is also there, clearing 8 mod T12 Racecourse wasn't a problem dmg-wise.
My problems about the defenses don't really have much to do with my arguably bad eq. All expensive pieces I miss are dmg, dmg and more dmg. The only defense of the build is vaal grace with pantheon power which I think is a problem - because you are not killing everything instantly when playing on budget, so shit actually hits you from time to time. So I made some suggestions to other people if they bother to read through how to - in my oppinion - improve the defensive layers when you don't insta kill everything yet.
Thanks, I do appreciate educated feedback and suggestions, and definitely encourage players to help other players, which you have been doing in this thread. Please do not take it personally if I was needlessly rude, and in fact I would like to apologize.
My biggest tip to deal with danger, as disappointing as it sounds, is to avoid the danger, like I did when I skipped the Toxic Sewer boss almost every time while grinding to level up. As for unforeseeable danger, nearly all of it will come in the form of unfortunate oneshots, and sadly the only way to prevent those is to gather the biggest attainable EHP pool.
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Сообщениеb0moodc19 мая 2019 г., 20:02:35
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Yikes, you need a hug.
Also I'm just running burial chambers and to answer your question yes Windripper can do that at this level of gear. Not trying to take down uber elder on a clearspeed build.
I need a hug as much as you and the "I am following this guide and my character sucks" gang need to realise that when I say "☑ Awful single-target unless very invested" and "there is the tradeoff of giving up single-target capabilities", I mean it. But realistically, 80% of the people complaining about their characters simply haven't taken the time and care to put together coherent characters. Countless times I've been able to list half a dozen major flaws in characters people link. Is it my responsibility then or is there a chance such people are in the wrong? Don't lie to yourself and throw shade on people's works, and instead try to adopt a mindset in which you are held accountable for your efforts, successes, and failures.
You really need to step back and read what I wrote. In ever said the character sucked its just very limited in what it can accomplish. While you stated that in your guide and I reads it clearly; I simply made note it is a big issue with the build. So much so that the only people commenting on it are having to come up with additional setups to be able to run low level maps.
Obviously the character has room to improve, especially the watcher's eye I don't have yet, but if we cant discuss the build in the thread dedicated to the build itself then what's the point of even posting it in the first place?
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СообщениеCruxation19 мая 2019 г., 20:05:01
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You really need to step back and read what I wrote. In ever said the character sucked its just very limited in what it can accomplish. While you stated that in your guide and I reads it clearly; I simply made note it is a big issue with the build. So much so that the only people commenting on it are having to come up with additional setups to be able to run low level maps.
Fun fact: forum replies average a slightly-below-neutral feeling towards the build, whilst an overwhelming majority of the messages I receive in-game are positive.
I guess it makes sense not to post anything when all is going well.
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Сообщениеb0moodc19 мая 2019 г., 20:15:54
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You really need to step back and read what I wrote. In ever said the character sucked its just very limited in what it can accomplish. While you stated that in your guide and I reads it clearly; I simply made note it is a big issue with the build. So much so that the only people commenting on it are having to come up with additional setups to be able to run low level maps.
Fun fact: forum replies average a slightly-below-neutral feeling towards the build, whilst an overwhelming majority of the messages I receive in-game are positive.
I guess it makes sense not to post anything when all is going well.
Haha yes all those messages from all 15 people playing Autobomber must really be rolling in...
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СообщениеCruxation19 мая 2019 г., 20:26:31
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