[3.9] Gryph's CI Vortex + Coldsnap Trickster || Uber Elder+Everything Else

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Jko84 написал:

Hi, please update the guide as mutch as you can :) im rerolling from cyclone to this vortex build. I played Vortex as occultist last league and loved it. Im gonna follow this guide now.

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Chunq написал:

ok

I asked in-game if the Might of the Meek jewel was still being used before the guide was updated. It is not, it was dropped last league, apparently there were mana problems by losing the Arcane Will notable? There's also the Utmost Intellect cluster now.
Looking at the current pob link, I think there might be some room that I'll try to play with for Might of the Meek.

Then I asked about Atziri's Reflection rarity, which I hadn't kept up to date on. It used to be rarer than actual mirrors, but the div card helped a lot for the prophecy. Apep's Supremacy was discussed as the "cheaper", version of the build.

Lastly I asked about Legion packs. Tactics are a work in progress? Currently it seems to be "pop Vaal Cold Snap, Vaal Righteous Fire, and run around while dropping Vortex when needed". I was thinking Increased Duration on Cold Snap or putting it in the 6L. I also thought maybe joining in on the Vaal Ice Nova fun would be good, but it probably won't pass. Maybe we'll just have to live with playing as GGG intended, hunting specific targets instead of killing everything.

edit: the reason I was thinking inc dur on ice nova is because you can place about 4 with frenzy charges right before touching the obelisk. You can activate most of the trash legion immediately before taking the rest.

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Gryphenprey написал:

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Chunq написал:

ok

I asked in-game if the Might of the Meek jewel was still being used before the guide was updated. It is not, it was dropped last league, apparently there were mana problems by losing the Arcane Will notable? There's also the Utmost Intellect cluster now.
Looking at the current pob link, I think there might be some room that I'll try to play with for Might of the Meek.

Then I asked about Atziri's Reflection rarity, which I hadn't kept up to date on. It used to be rarer than actual mirrors, but the div card helped a lot for the prophecy. Apep's Supremacy was discussed as the "cheaper", version of the build.

Lastly I asked about Legion packs. Tactics are a work in progress? Currently it seems to be "pop Vaal Cold Snap, Vaal Righteous Fire, and run around while dropping Vortex when needed". I was thinking Increased Duration on Cold Snap or putting it in the 6L. I also thought maybe joining in on the Vaal Ice Nova fun would be good, but it probably won't pass. Maybe we'll just have to live with playing as GGG intended, hunting specific targets instead of killing everything.

edit: the reason I was thinking inc dur on ice nova is because you can place about 4 with frenzy charges right before touching the obelisk. You can activate most of the trash legion immediately before taking the rest.

So the mana problems are only noticeable on end game bosses. Whenever we can kill things our mana is fine. Since i was doing a lot of Uber Elder runs it was particularly annoying and not worth the small boost in damage over a good rare.

Reflection is and will always be the chase unique for this build. With the addition of Wicked Ward however, it is very reasonable to use Apep's Supremacy. This is the more defensive choice and much more budget friendly. I recommend this shield if you can't afford Reflection. Also, if going this route I suggest getting Faster Start of ES Recharge Watcher's Eye for bossing (pretty sure shaper/uber elder are the only times this matters) and ES on hit for mapping/delving. Or get one with both. They're like 6ex.

As for interacting with Legion mechanics, try stuff out! using CS on a 6L with Inc Duration would work to extend the time we have for it. To that end, you could invest 4 points into the Duration cluster next to EE.

I'm experimenting with Arctic Breath since it has no cooldown. Currently jamming it in a 4L setup with AB - CWC - Cyclone - Bonechill

Using Dying Sun for 2 extra projectiles. This seems to be working fine-ish. I think it's be better in an offhand staff so that I could do VCS -> Run around -> weapon swap to finish up -> weapon swap to kill stuff.

Try things out. This build is not naturally good for the legion mechanics. It's just *fine* and for now, I'm okay with that. We demolish everything else with ease.

On a side note:

These gloves are pretty great for mapping purposes. Use hatred instead of malevolence (Hatred Scales off the phys damage+still boosts our DoT DPS) and you get some good pack clears; plus it blinds/curses everything.

Very nice gloves defensively and very satisfying to watch things explode in puffs of golden confetti. I would recommend if you can cover resists and keep your ES above about 7k.

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SonsOfKorhal написал:

personally I use MOTM. no right or wrong. it's just more convenient for me and something I like. (I come from the occultist vortex last league). never had issues with mana. probably because of boot enchants. as for legion mechs, our build isnt fantastic, but it's not crap either. it's just a limitation of the build that I can live with. I used to run unnatural instinct in the socket below potency of will, it's a nice boost (but sold it to fund the atziri reflection).

for mapping, I personally just weapon swap and use

I've always dual wielded them, not sure if I should just manually swap a wep and use atziri ref shield (or another shield). doesnt seem to matter. I run HoI+CoH+frostbite to propagate the explosions (you dont see the ice shattering because the "profane bloom" animation takes precedence, but the effect is there).

thanks for the guide, I've seen your char on the dps list for vortex last season (near mine hehe), and decided to try out vortex trickster after the nerf to occultist. (initially started as vortex occultist up to 85 - doable but not competitive to trickster).

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Gryphenprey написал:

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SonsOfKorhal написал:

personally I use MOTM. no right or wrong. it's just more convenient for me and something I like. (I come from the occultist vortex last league). never had issues with mana. probably because of boot enchants. as for legion mechs, our build isnt fantastic, but it's not crap either. it's just a limitation of the build that I can live with. I used to run unnatural instinct in the socket below potency of will, it's a nice boost (but sold it to fund the atziri reflection).

for mapping, I personally just weapon swap and use

I've always dual wielded them, not sure if I should just manually swap a wep and use atziri ref shield (or another shield). doesnt seem to matter. I run HoI+CoH+frostbite to propagate the explosions (you dont see the ice shattering because the "profane bloom" animation takes precedence, but the effect is there).

thanks for the guide, I've seen your char on the dps list for vortex last season (near mine hehe), and decided to try out vortex trickster after the nerf to occultist. (initially started as vortex occultist up to 85 - doable but not competitive to trickster).

You can definitely use MOTM. I encourage everyone to do what feels best for them.

I could never justify the point expenditure for Unnatural Instinct. It's certainly good, but I was always able to better with those same points. This build is definitely very Passive point hungry.

I'd be more inclined to use Oblit Wand if I could get Fortify off of Shield Charge with it.

As for the DPS Sheet on Ninja, I remember there being an Occultist or 2 higher than me on Ninja. That's because the ascendancy gives -20 res and Ninja doesn't do EE right. For the record, I held the highest DPS in PoB ;)

But yeah, definitely after the Occ nerfs it doesn't hold a candle to Trickster anymore.

Thanks for the feedback! I'm glad you're enjoying this! :D

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imatty написал:

Yo guys, how to craft good eva/es sadist garb? Just spam chaos or theres a better way?