Path of Exile 2 does not have to be Path of Exile 1.

PoE2 should learn the lessons of PoE1, but it can be a new game.

There is a large audience that won't be enticed by the screen-wipe hyper sandbox power fantasy of PoE1. PoE1 is a great game, over time it just became a different game.

PoE2 has its chance to also be a new trend setting ARPG, I think it's important to realize they are two different games.

ARPGs are a hard formula to crack because you need to delicately trickle power fantasy with opportunity cost, contention (Gear, skill, passives), and risk vs. reward. But it's like a salt water fish tank, careful balance can go a long way to make a good ARPG that does not diminish the excellent hand crafted action in this game.

Very much agree with this, sadly I already see some things ingame going in the wrong direction after around lvl 30-40. At least from my personal run so far.

And those things cannot be changed without significant overhaul of systems. Some could be overhauled to function very differently and promote an active playstyle (such as minions/totems/"cast on X condition")

i agree. i like the slower pace much better than the zoom zoom gameplay in poe1. i hope they keep nerfing those zoom zoom 1 button builds and get to finetune the multi-skill gameplay till it feels perfect.

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cortvermin#2636 написал:

i agree. i like the slower pace much better than the zoom zoom gameplay in poe1. i hope they keep nerfing those zoom zoom 1 button builds and get to finetune the multi-skill gameplay till it feels perfect.

Indeed. There is an overwhelming consensus everywhere that just wants PoE2 to devolve to PoE1 and remove the skill expression.

There's a happy middle ground between extremely hardcore game and removing all the handcrafted combat that makes it fun... and the people enjoying the game are not providing feedback so GGG needs to focus on DATA DRIVEN DECISION MAKING on top of the feedback they receive here.

If we had the same level of content creator/social media pipeline, D2 would probably have never been made.

It's important to remember that a lot of these players will not stay in the game. Your game is kept alive by the people who love it. Avid PoE1 enthusiasts have their game, PoE2 is a chance to do something new, with combat that PoE1 could never capture both due to technical limitations, design philosophy, AND years of speed creep that cannot be undone. That's fine! PoE1 is a great game for what it is -- a sandbox ARPG with complexity!

We can have something special here, it would be a shame to just have PoE2 be PoE1. What would the point of keeping PoE1 alive be? It hurts everyone by having this mindset and resounding (loud minority) feedback drive the game.

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IonSugeRau1#1069 написал:

Very much agree with this, sadly I already see some things ingame going in the wrong direction after around lvl 30-40. At least from my personal run so far.

And those things cannot be changed without significant overhaul of systems. Some could be overhauled to function very differently and promote an active playstyle (such as minions/totems/"cast on X condition")

You should see how crazy campaign loot is since the rebalance.

I left a1 on my 3rd char with over a stack of exalts and several regals and did not at all need them lol

diablo II was a hard and unforgiving game and it didn't bother anyone. it had great loot. great unique items, rune words, set items. the grind felt worthwhile, and it was far more tedious and repetitive than what POE2 has going on. They need to fix the loot problem in this game and stop making every unique item a complete joke with more drawbacks than perks. Stop having them drop like candy. POE1 had loot.

0.1 had a handful of items to get excited over and they nerfed every one of them into the ground except for astramentis

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 написал:

diablo II was a hard and unforgiving game and it didn't bother anyone. it had great loot. great unique items, rune words, set items. the grind felt worthwhile, and it was far more tedious and repetitive than what POE2 has going on. They need to fix the loot problem in this game and stop making every unique item a complete joke with more drawbacks than perks. Stop having them drop like candy. POE1 had loot.

0.1 had a handful of items to get excited over and they nerfed every one of them into the ground except for astramentis

Yeah I agree uniques are ass and provide more negatives then positives

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PoE2 should learn the lessons of PoE1, but it can be a new game.

There is a large audience that won't be enticed by the screen-wipe hyper sandbox power fantasy of PoE1. PoE1 is a great game, over time it just became a different game.

PoE2 has its chance to also be a new trend setting ARPG, I think it's important to realize they are two different games.

And it is not that hard really. Just decrease number of mobs and increase drop rate accordingly. Actually devs DID show exactly that kind of gameplay in early 2024. But after closed beta they spammed everything with POE-1 mobs. Probably because of POE1 players closed-beta feedback. That was a big mistake.

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diablo II was a hard and unforgiving game and it didn't bother anyone. it had great loot. great unique items, rune words, set items. the grind felt worthwhile, and it was far more tedious and repetitive than what POE2 has going on. They need to fix the loot problem in this game and stop making every unique item a complete joke with more drawbacks than perks. Stop having them drop like candy. POE1 had loot.

D2 has best loot still. Not too shallow, not too complex, perfectly designed. Many don't like runewords but essentially they are your crafted uniques and the system itself is perfect. This is why PD2 mod is so hugely popular even with its 25 y.o. outdated pixelated graphics. 10-15k online on start every season is crazy for a mod to an ancient game.

it should be its own game and better

but surely not worse. (its much worse as it is)

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Azimuthus#1135 написал:

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PoE2 should learn the lessons of PoE1, but it can be a new game.

There is a large audience that won't be enticed by the screen-wipe hyper sandbox power fantasy of PoE1. PoE1 is a great game, over time it just became a different game.

PoE2 has its chance to also be a new trend setting ARPG, I think it's important to realize they are two different games.

And it is not that hard really. Just decrease number of mobs and increase drop rate accordingly. Actually devs DID show exactly that kind of gameplay in early 2024. But after closed beta they spammed everything with POE-1 mobs. Probably because of POE1 players closed-beta feedback. That was a big mistake.

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diablo II was a hard and unforgiving game and it didn't bother anyone. it had great loot. great unique items, rune words, set items. the grind felt worthwhile, and it was far more tedious and repetitive than what POE2 has going on. They need to fix the loot problem in this game and stop making every unique item a complete joke with more drawbacks than perks. Stop having them drop like candy. POE1 had loot.

D2 has best loot still. Not too shallow, not too complex, perfectly designed. Many don't like runewords but essentially they are your crafted uniques and the system itself is perfect. This is why PD2 mod is so hugely popular even with its 25 y.o. outdated pixelated graphics. 10-15k online on start every season is crazy for a mod to an ancient game.

well said, bolded the part that really stood out to me