No Chaos Witch ascendancy?

"Still, it is odd that they gave us minion command buttons, entire minion clusters, and lots of minion skills without actually making a minion-focused class."

My sister and I have a bet going about whether or not it's going to be Necromancer-esque or Occultist-esque.

You hit the nail on the head:
1. All these minion skills...
2. No real minion-focused Ascendancy...
3. Infernalist only has half of its tree for minions

POE2 has copied a lot from Last Epoch, so maybe we'll see some "living" minions like Falconer (birds) or Druid (ravens/wolves). A "beastmaster' type class would make perfect sense for:

a. Huntress -spear w/ pet
b. Ranger -bow w/ pet
c. Druid -packs of pets

So why not a Necromancer? Odd to have SKELETONS w/o a Skeleton MASTER, right?

Also, this game caters heavily to streamers. A lot of streamers like making minion builds for non-minion classes. I'm sure GGG can be convinced if they think streamers will like it.

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Ippotsuko#6657 написал:

yeah it's kinda weird that there isn't an ascendancy that seems tailored towards chaos spells.

We currently have 12 out of 36 ascendancies available, how is it weird that there are some missing when 2/3rds of them are missing lol. It's EA.

given how Blood Mage and Infernalist both have minion nodes without being outright minion ascendancies.

bloodmage doesn't have any minion nodes, she has on theme nodes (though some aren't good and her first two are a downgrade) but no on theme spells to cast, no minion nodes though.

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"Still, it is odd that they gave us minion command buttons, entire minion clusters, and lots of minion skills without actually making a minion-focused class."

My sister and I have a bet going about whether or not it's going to be Necromancer-esque or Occultist-esque.

You hit the nail on the head:
1. All these minion skills...
2. No real minion-focused Ascendancy...
3. Infernalist only has half of its tree for minions

POE2 has copied a lot from Last Epoch, so maybe we'll see some "living" minions like Falconer (birds) or Druid (ravens/wolves). A "beastmaster' type class would make perfect sense for:

a. Huntress -spear w/ pet
b. Ranger -bow w/ pet
c. Druid -packs of pets

So why not a Necromancer? Odd to have SKELETONS w/o a Skeleton MASTER, right?

Also, this game caters heavily to streamers. A lot of streamers like making minion builds for non-minion classes. I'm sure GGG can be convinced if they think streamers will like it.

Back when GGG first revealed PoE2, they actually did reveal a beastmaster-ish class for Ranger, with shapeshifts AND pets. We also got the Druid reveal at Gamescom last year, which teased some wolf pets. So Druid and Ranger/Huntress might actually have more minion support than Witch, oddly enough.

It's also odd that we don't have a single golem skill yet. Golemancer is a staple Elementalist build in PoE1, and golems are an integral part of the Necro experience in Diablo 2.

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Ippotsuko#6657 написал:

yeah it's kinda weird that there isn't an ascendancy that seems tailored towards chaos spells.

We currently have 12 out of 36 ascendancies available, how is it weird that there are some missing when 2/3rds of them are missing lol. It's EA.

given how Blood Mage and Infernalist both have minion nodes without being outright minion ascendancies.

bloodmage doesn't have any minion nodes, she has on theme nodes (though some aren't good and her first two are a downgrade) but no on theme spells to cast, no minion nodes though.[/quote]

Oh you're right, whoops. My bad. Should've checked before posting.

That's weirder, then, because Infernalist only has some complementary minion nodes at best (and one dominant Arsonist build).

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Ippotsuko#6657 написал:

yeah it's kinda weird that there isn't an ascendancy that seems tailored towards chaos spells.

We currently have 12 out of 36 ascendancies available, how is it weird that there are some missing when 2/3rds of them are missing lol. It's EA.

That's not what people are complaining about. What people are worried about is that each class gets three ascendancies, and we currently have two for Witch. That means one of the two Occult skill schools (Necromancer and Chaos DoT Occultist) are going to get shafted in the ascendancy department. Unless GGG rolls Necro and Occultist into one Ascendancy, of course. Which they might do, given how Blood Mage and Infernalist both have minion nodes without being outright minion ascendancies.

My guess is that Occultist will be the third ascendancy, and Necro will get outright nixed. GGG probably doesn't want a pure braindead zookeeper in PoE2; it goes against their design philosophy of making gameplay decisions more meaningful. That, and balancing minions was a gigantic headache for GGG in PoE1, and they probably don't want to repeat that process all over again here. They'd probably rather have more engaging Witch specs that support minion gameplay, rather than make AFK minions the centerpiece. Still, it is odd that they gave us minion command buttons, entire minion clusters, and lots of minion skills without actually making a minion-focused class.

An interesting comment I must say, as it's rather contrary to my experience and what I've seen.

Firstly, double checking the Blood Mage ascension on Maxroll's passive planner, there are no minion nodes in Blood Mage. https://maxroll.gg/poe2/passive-tree/

Secondly while we are obviously missing Occultist, The other PoE1 Witch options of Elementalist and Necromancer are already in PoE2.

Elementalist is ofc the Sorceress now, so it's not only here but being expanded on. One wonders though if they'll add golems an put them in whatever Sorcs 3rd ascension is going to be.

Lets step back from the names for a second and refer to ascension by their purpose.
When I look at Necromancer in PoE1, I see "this is clearly the minion ascension."
When I look at Infernalist in PoE2, I see "this is clearly the minion ascension."
So Necromancer is already in PoE2, and we have our minion focused class.
One of two minion focused classes, actually. Based on the passive tree it seems pretty clear that either Templar or Druid will have a minion ascension too.

Yes Infernalist also provides the option to forgo minions by focusing on Demon Form and Beidat, but that does not make it not the minion ascension.
Consider it similar to how Warbringer has a line for totems and a line for shields.
The shield nodes don't make it not the totem ascension, and the totem nodes don't make it not the shield ascension. It gets to be both.
Fitting multiple build types into one ascension seems good, if anything.

For my part I currently have two Witches.
One is a level 3 to-be minion build I made in advance just to claim the name I'll want.
The other is a Chaos plague type that I have sitting in Act 2 waiting for them to add Occultist before I ascend.

The thing that keeps bothering me at the moment is:

There are no ascendancies that support chaos spells (, so why they are in the game in the first place?

Why not introduce them later when there's a class or ascendancy that makes sense to use them?

Chayula hardly works with spells

I can play Pathfinder and pretend as if I am playing witch class because of my strong will power. My loyal minions never ask me for orders because I told them not to do so. :)

I think the third witch ascendancy will be Necro - which will be a combination of chaos magic and minions (basically rolling occultist into necromancer).

One thing I've been rolling around in my head while I play are what all the ascendancies would be and... I don't have any idea.

Warrior - Warbringer, Titan and... maybe something just 2h focused?

Witch - Blood Mage, Infernalist, Necro*?

Sorc - Stormweaver, Chronomancer, Elementalist*?

Merc - Witchhunter, Gemling, Not a clue

Monk - Invoker, Chonk, And some sort of unarmed ascendancy?

Ranger - Deadeye, Pathfinder, Warden* (Pet/melee?)

Marauder - Jugg, Zerker, Chieftan (if it's not broke, don't fix it... just make all of them useful)

Duelist - Champion, Slayer, Gladiator (again, same as above)

Shadow - Same as PoE1

Templar - Same as PoE1. Maybe a true Paladin substitute but I guess that kinda fits Guardian (1h/shield) spec?

Druid - I'm guessing these will be "shape themed", Human, Ground Animal, Air animal?

Huntress - Amazon, after that I'm out of ideas

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Chayula hardly works with spells

GGG was drunk when they made Chalupa