Where does all the hate come from?

I've never had that much fun levelling, huntress's design is amazing when you play her the way she's been designed. Just ignore the haters, let GGG know that you're having fun and hope that they don't give too much credit to players who want POE2 to be POE1 with better graphics.

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Grahf23#1727 написал:

I've never had that much fun levelling, huntress's design is amazing when you play her the way she's been designed. Just ignore the haters, let GGG know that you're having fun and hope that they don't give too much credit to players who want POE2 to be POE1 with better graphics.

I actually really agree with this so much. I really enjoy the huntress class design and I'm having a lot of fun.

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urbanmonkey#6066 написал:

This is very simple. This game doesn't play like POE1. This is POE2. It has a different "vision" to POE1 which the POE1 players do not like. They just want POE1 with better graphics. GGG wants to make a different game.

POE2 is much slower, it has large maps that require exploration, it's much harder and it wants to reward you for using more than one button.

POE1 players don't want mobs to fight back, especially white one. They are just loot piñatas who need to die as soon as the player looks at them and just spill their loot on the floor. It's called "power fantasy or something". But the worst thing the them is the lack of speed. God forbid a skill has cooldown or activation time of more than 0.2 seconds. It's a "miserable" gameplay experience. Must zoom zoom. It's what's called as "blasting".

Hope this more sense to you now.

I don't want POE1. I want POE2.

But I want POE2 whith fair and fun combat, decent loot and not to have to depend on shitty and time consuming trading.

Large maps are fine by me, slower pace too, using more than one button as well. I am not interested in so-called zoom zoom with screen flashing to the point when you dont see anything but explosions of colour. I have 0 issues with previously meta builds not being meta anymore either. I do not shy away from "hard" games. I played Dark Souls, Bloodborn,Elden Ring, Wukong, No Rest for the Wicked and even frigging Sekiro.

Combat in POE2 is currently hard only due 4 reasons:
-White mobs having way too big HP pool (which was adressed and fixed for now in 0.2.0c)
-Mobs simply being way too fast (NOT player character being to slow, mobs being too fast; there is a difference between the two) in comparison with player character (which has been pointed out over and over again and GGG is ignoring the issue)
-Player character defenses being more or less a joke
-You can't get stronger unless you get lucky with loot (RNG) or you have to deal with a tedious trading because GGG is stuborn and ignores the countles implorings to add action house and stops wasting our time

That said, in all of years of POE1 and months of POE2 I have not been complaining. I am not a complaining sort. I wasn't complaining online even over D4. I am complaining now but I am doing so because this game is still in EA, meaning it is still in developtement and what better time to voice ones opinion of what's wrong or not ok or not fun in current instalment than now. This complaining is actualy not complaining, it is FEEDBACK. Game is in EA for devs to get feedback.

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ryuukk33#4998 написал:

I have a theory, it's perhaps insider job, meant to pump 0.3

Jon said it in the last itw, they expect less players for 0.2, and hopefully way more for 0.3, it's a cycle (good/bad/good)

It's their strategy to optimize KPI, create problems to make people complain, so then they then can come up with a solution already ready for next patch, sitting on a GIT branch, creating a snowball effect

Don't ban me mods, it's just supposition based on official itw


Anyways


If you care about the game and want best 1.0 possible, you complain loud now

PoE 2 deserve to be good, and we should not let incapable developers sabotage it with their incompetence

Tencent is watching tho, spring cleaning incoming

I have another theory, maybe the game is not fun and people are disappointed and trying to put some sense into GGG, before they remain with just the 50 players that actually state that they enjoy the game ? Wild guess though

I hate to be the one to tell it to you, but there are currently 250,000 players enjoying the game enough to play it. All you POE1 veterans just want POE2 to be that but with better graphics but GGG wants a new game. So you are all throwing your toys out of the pram by complaining all day on Reddit/Forums to create this illusion that NO ONE likes this direction and "only 50 players will remain". In the meantime GGG is ignoring you because hey, 250000 players.

The only thing I think really sucks is that GGG are not keeping the same investment in POE1 (which is the game for you) and are essentially shafting the people who made them who they are today.

Hey those 250 000 players were peak time, today hey they have 100 000 ....By the end of the week HEY 20 000 and soon enough you will have the same number of players every league has after 2 months...GGG is ignoring me because HEY they do not see the numbers...HEY HEY

Also may I notice that 0.1.0 had 500 000 players at launch , hey hey, and now they have 250 000 players, which are dropping by the day, hey hey...

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Grahf23#1727 написал:

I've never had that much fun levelling, huntress's design is amazing when you play her the way she's been designed. Just ignore the haters, let GGG know that you're having fun and hope that they don't give too much credit to players who want POE2 to be POE1 with better graphics.

First off, maybe everyone liking the game should stop calling every single piece of criticism "hate" because otherwise their own feelings get hurt?

It's so boring how every "enjoyer" regurgitates the same old points: People "complaining" are all either PoE1 players who want PoE1.2, streamers, whiners...

Isn't the "pro" argument usually that this is still Early Access, but the moment people criticize the game that is suddenly not okay, despite Early Access games living from feedback. Or is only "positive feedback" permissible in your opinion?

You know what many people want, that "hate" the game? A better game. A clear vision instead of "The Vision™". Because "The Vision™" is not working for a lot of people right now. Personally, I would love if the game was actually slower and more methodical as "The Vision™" always states, but GGG needs to be constantly reminded of that themselves, because for some reason, they refuse to touch monster action speed to actually make the game slower instead of more of a slog.

The "hate" comes from people holding GGG to a higher standard, people that see something potentially great in PoE2, buried under so many stubborn design decisions, mismanagement and untested changes. Have you ever considered the "haters" might actually want the exact same game as you do, but are concerned GGG is not going in that direction at a reasonable pace?

You might think you are helping by "being positive," but you aren't. Positive feedback is "feel good feedback," but improvements are overwhelmingly made due to critical feedback.

So no, not everyone critical of PoE2 or 0.2.0 wants PoE1 with better graphics. But we want what was and is promised: a thoughtful, well-paced ARPG that respects player agency and time investment. Simple as that.

I think it's mostly from two groups of people.
1. people who are salty it isn't going to be like PoE1
2. people who pogged at some demos and didn't understand that they were buying an incomplete game

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ryuukk33#4998 написал:

I have a theory, it's perhaps insider job, meant to pump 0.3

Jon said it in the last itw, they expect less players for 0.2, and hopefully way more for 0.3, it's a cycle (good/bad/good)

The tencent stuff is a bit concerning. I hope they don't encroach as much as I hear parent companies do. Anyway I didn't find 0.2 that bad. (possibly because i'm playing warrior) I think there are a lot of issues, but there's also a lot of hyperbole.

I hate reddit and never care about their constant cries. I don't really care if POE2 is going a different direction that much. The redditors are crying because the campaign is harder and they are a bunch of noobs.

But I don't think I would be complaining about POE2 like I have a little bit if they didn't lie to us about POE1.

POE1 is my favorite game ever and spent almost a decade playing it and enjoying every new league, which used to be every 3 months and then they went to 4 months which is okay. But now we're not getting anything for POE1 anymore, it'll be an entire year and the earliest for a new league and that pisses me off.

I would rather be playing new POE1 leagues than this POE2 game. I just want to play Path of Exile man.

I think the campaign feels about same as 0.1. Huntress is fun though, but so was Monk. Campaign feels slightly too long and could use fine tuning in amount of zones.

From my point of view it has been mostly PoE1 players whining about the game after they spent months in their PoE1 echochambers hating on the game. However PoE2 feels better if your expectation from a game isn't just 1 button spamming and everything dying instantly.

PoE1 felt more like one of those autobattler or football manager games where you build your team, and the game plays itself. PoE2 is not just about thinking but also requires some skill.

Also minion builds were very bad at release of 0.2, so lot of crying came from that direction. Just like warriors were crying in 0.1.

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Tolyakipyatok#2459 написал:

Im currently finishing act 3 right now and the game doesn't feel like all this pain people whining about.

yep I had some issues with the bosses, but accomplishing brought me a ton of fun (died 20 like times on act 2 boss). I wasn't an uber-farmed ultra-insta-screen-wiper and I had to adjust to the patterns.

The monsters can insta kill you, but it's not the 0.2 issue it referred to 0.1 as well.

For the first time in POE 2 a unique dropped for me in act 1 and I actually wore it and it was really useful, it felt like some puzzle piece finaly found its place.

the spirits are not as sophisticated as a separate mechanic but it really makes encounters more interesting (and looks cool btw)

I really like the update so far (I haven't reached the endgame yet and not sure that 90% of the playerbase did) but think most of the endgame issues will be fixed by that time.

Idk guys, the whole situation just feels like people being unfair towards the devs, you can see how fast and reactive they are with all those hotfixes and statements and it's not even a full release yet.

Ikr, I love the game in its current state, and I feel like all they need to do is just fix bugs, fill out the rest of the weapons/characters/uniques, finish up the campaign, and they will have an amazing game.

If anything, some abilities that are capable of destroying monsters without being combined with other abilities need to be nerfed, such as rake with stomping ground support; combos need to be significantly stronger than any single ability in order to shine, and the main way that should be accomplishing that imho is by making sure that no single ability can kill monsters more quickly than any combination of two abilities, primarily because if you are able to kill monsters with a single ability then there's no reason to continue the combo.

That being said, for the people who are responding with criticism not particularly constructive, I think a lot of the response comes from people who want to see more PoE 1. You ask anyone who is just hating on the current state of PoE 2 what they think of PoE 1, and they're like it's the best game ever and they can't believe GGG delayed the next league for so long to release this "trash". I don't think this game is trash but I kinda respect that it must feel annoying to have their favourite game delayed so much for a game they don't like.

I do also think that they could simply continue playing that game even without a new league, because that's totally what I'd be doing if the next PoE 2 league was delayed for a year (I played 0.1 the entire time, paused to briefly play some other games I was hyped for, but came back to this after I was done), but even so, it's understandable that they're annoyed about PoE 2 being the kind of game it is if they really prefer the style of PoE 1.

I really hope that essentially GGG stands firm on the changes that have been made for 0.2, and just commit to getting back to their regular schedule with PoE 1. Of course, the problem with that is, at this point it's not enough to say that, they really need to simply get it done. People won't feel like they can trust that GGG can get back to a schedule where PoE 1 leagues are coming out regularly again until it's actually happening.

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urbanmonkey#6066 написал:

This is very simple. This game doesn't play like POE1. This is POE2. It has a different "vision" to POE1 which the POE1 players do not like. They just want POE1 with better graphics. GGG wants to make a different game.

POE2 is much slower, it has large maps that require exploration, it's much harder and it wants to reward you for using more than one button.

POE1 players don't want mobs to fight back, especially white one. They are just loot piñatas who need to die as soon as the player looks at them and just spill their loot on the floor. It's called "power fantasy or something". But the worst thing the them is the lack of speed. God forbid a skill has cooldown or activation time of more than 0.2 seconds. It's a "miserable" gameplay experience. Must zoom zoom. It's what's called as "blasting".

Hope this more sense to you now.

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