Why Shav is warping builds....

Disclamer : This is based on HC and OS analisys. If things are different in normal i'd be glad to hear it. Also, this in internet and most will read the first 5 lines and flame so i made a 2 line sum up for you trolls :



I m pretty sure there s been multiple post complaining about shav brockeness, this post won t be one though. I'd just like to highliht some points that make the game less enjoyable for me and maybe for others.


Shavron based low life is overpowered. That s the easy part of this post, not much to say about it. It's OP but i don t really care about it. There are many OP stuff in PoE, Shav is just the OP of all.


Shavron price is not good for the game. This is actually my main issue with Shav. There might ony be 1% of POE player who can dream having one someday and only 1% of them might actually get it. Is it really bad that scrubs (all of us in essence) can t afford this ? I wouldn t care if shav was dumb and OP but it s also a build enabler. Low life whaterver is one of the most popular builds i see in OS but they are forced to stay in docks and lunaris forever unless they get a shav.

Shav's price has a few more bad consequences. I have the feeling it encourages RMT but i can't really be sure of that. On the other hand, i know for a fact it s limiting builds possibilities. With an chest at 35ex, 99% of their owner will go with the most sensible choice : low life with wondertraps for MF and righteous fire for insane dps. Let s say shav was 5 chaos, we could experiment hybrid life/es buils which are pretty much inexistant in the current state of the game.

I m really ok with expensive items i can t ever dream to buy in a game of grindng, but a whole build being unavailable and a lot more builds not even being viable because of a item scarcity is a flow in my mind. As i see it, GGG didn t expect the low life build and is screwed with a bocken gear on it s hand. Still i think there are easy ways to corect this :

- if low life is too good (I think it is but I don't care, in my mind Vaal Pact is way more OP than Pain Attunement will ever be) righteous fire is easy to nerf. I'd rather see everyone using a balanced low lie buid than see most of top player play low life and the rest of us dream to drop a shav. Once again, this is not the point that actually pisses me off. The next one is :)


- if shav price is an issue (I am sure it is), screw shav and make a unique ring/belt/amy/whatever that gives the same "chaos doesn t bypass ES" line. Make it bad if you want. Just allow low lifer to get out of docks and hybrids to come back to the scene. Right now you either play Path of Life nodes or (more likely) Path of ES nodes. Let us play Path of hybrid for once ! Right now it s close to impossible to make a end game viable hybrid build (Summoner could be an exeption but you ll get kicked out of parties because you make everybody lag anyway). Players and economy tends toward efficiency and no one in it s right mind would ever buy a shav and not go low life. This is all because of Shav's price and I m sure we would see more diversity.

In conclusion, Shav price should not be the limiting factor, balance should be. If low life is too good, GGG shouldn t be glad that just a few people can actually play it. OP abilities need nerfing and build enabler gear should be available to most if not all people. Since shav is a little too good and rare to make it widely available, make a shitty item that does the same. Next step is to nerf RF because a low life build with a good chest would be insane, but who cares ?

I agree. The whole chaos thing is a problem, and Shav's makes that a problem even more.

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Shavs is imbalanced because I cant be bothered farming the currency needed for the item I want.

tl;dr I am lazy and poor

FTFY

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nynyny написал:

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Shavs is imbalanced because I cant be bothered farming the currency needed for the item I want.

tl;dr I rather RMT because my job has tangible returns

FTFY

FTFY

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Evlesoa написал:

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nynyny написал:

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Shavs is imbalanced because I cant be bothered farming the currency needed for the item I want.

tl;dr I rather RMT because my job has tangible returns

FTFY

FTFY

Other people being better at the game doesnt mean they RMT. But keep living in delusion.

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nynyny написал:

Other people being better at the game doesnt mean they RMT. But keep living in delusion.

It's RNG; you can't possibly say they're better because of it. I guarantee that the amount it takes someone to buy a Shav's is much less than to find it or get enough currency.

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Evlesoa написал:

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nynyny написал:

Other people being better at the game doesnt mean they RMT. But keep living in delusion.

It's RNG; you can't possibly say they're better because of it. I guarantee that the amount it takes someone to buy a Shav's is much less than to find it or get enough currency.

How come that, including me, there are a lot of people who farmed enough currency for multiple Shavronnes in multiple league then?

I never had one dropped, yet I was able to afford the item in Hardcore and Onslaught, something you apparently cant even accomplish once in Standard. So we, in fact, are better and more dedicated players. Something you could easily accomplish as well if you had the dedication which you apparently lack.

Shavronnes isnt inaccessible, there are just a bunch of people, like yourself, who think it should be handed to them on a silver plate.

IMO Shavronne would be far more balanced and interesting if it was based on a low/mid level ES chest instead of occultist's vestment, since that way not only it would be more acessible, but also make low-life builds require more ES nodes and better ES gear in other slots to compensate for it (thus making them less overpowered).

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JeanKB написал:

IMO Shavronne would be far more balanced and interesting if it was based on a low/mid level ES chest instead of occultist's vestment, since that way not only it would be more acessible, but also make low-life builds require more ES nodes and better ES gear in other slots to compensate for it (thus making them less overpowered).

Last time I checked Shavronnes builds in Hardcore and Onslaught pick up pretty much any decent ES nodes there is so they have enough Health to survive.

What do you want them to specc into? More int just to get ES?

Let alone that making it a midgame chest wouldnt be interesting at all, it would make the item complete trash. Your chest piece it the most important item youre wearing. Reducing the defenses it provides (not even considering the fact that Shavronnes defenses already are utter trash compared to end game chests) would simply not make it usable anymore.

I still find it funny that standard players have the balls to complain about anything in he game even though they themselves chose a league with no limitations at all.

I have Shav' and i agree with this thread.

A special node with "Chaos doesn't bypass energy shield" should be present on the skill tree but it should be expensive in passive points like Vall Pact for melee.