BM/MC, Aura mechanics and builds and MC Suggestion

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ScrotieMcB написал:

Since this got necro'd:

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mattw написал:

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ScrotieMcB написал:

My analysis is a little better, although perhaps less suitable for layman reading.

I think your analysis paints a very extreme edge case that has only a tiny bit more marginal utility than my heavy aura-user, while ignoring the low-end user completely.

I have softened a little on the "marginal utility" side of things. A "50% less" version of MC would make that extreme edge case build stronger... but not ridiulously stronger. When I first responded to this thread, I lost sight of an important design principle: a little OP is actually a good thing, because players want their characters to feel a little OP. (I still feel "60% less" would be too much.)

That said, I haven't softened at all on the "extreme edge case" or "low-end user" fronts. Preventing (degeneratively) OP builds is not a matter of considering the low-end user, it's almost entirely a matter of considering the edge cases, those builds trying very hard to break the game. As such I am STAUNCHLY opposed to adding any form of "reduced" to MC, as that modifier obviously benefits dedicated auramancers far more than it benefits your average BM keystone user — better to have more "less" than ANY form of reduction.

Nevertheless, I expect at 50% dedicated Shavs-wearing auramancers would be the primary party interested in MC. And that's fine. Not every node should be attractive to everyone; the reason for sticking with "less" and avoiding "reduced" is to expand MC's appeal the widest audience through versatility, not to make it an auto-include for all BMK builds.

Even in terms of low-end users, you need to understand the drawback is solo only. In a large party, a BM keystone user with no personally equipped auras can expect to gain all aura benefits. So it's important to target solo BMK builds more than party BMK.

Thus I'd recommend this keystone, not adjacent to BMK but close enough to combo with it (in a similar manner to IR+US):
Sever the Tie
You do not receive Debuffs from Curses
You do not receive Buffs from Auras

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ggnorekthx написал:

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ScrotieMcB написал:

Sever the Tie
You do not receive Debuffs from Curses
You do not receive Buffs from Auras

That last bit is hilarious to me, Scrotie. Just the other day I was telling a friend that I wished there was a Keystone that nullified the effects of both auras and curses on the player.

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ScrotieMcB написал:

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ggnorekthx написал:

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ScrotieMcB написал:

Sever the Tie
You do not receive Debuffs from Curses
You do not receive Buffs from Auras

That last bit is hilarious to me, Scrotie. Just the other day I was telling a friend that I wished there was a Keystone that nullified the effects of both auras and curses on the player.

But I'm serious. The biggest problems with BMK are solo and endgame; the proposed keystone targets both issues in an elegant manner.

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ggnorekthx написал:

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ScrotieMcB написал:

But I'm serious. The biggest problems with BMK are solo and endgame; the proposed keystone targets both issues in an elegant manner.

I know you're serious, I am too! It was only hilarious that we both thought of essentially the exact same Keystone.

And I thought that would be a great idea for a BM build as well. No auras is a little scary, but the ability to solo maps with curse mods on them for "free" would make up for it.

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Islidox написал:

@Scrotie: you let me know when a Shav's wearer will invest in BMK, and point that build out to me. I'm still waiting on that bit of theorycrafting that I consider nonsensical.

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ScrotieMcB написал:

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Fruz написал:

No, you got it wrong, read what I said "no reduced mana to use 3 on prism guardian"
Do you have sources on how GGG rounds the number ? You can always round the 8.7%.
In maths, rounded before than the end always kinda screws up the result, that's why I didn't round it at all here.

When it comes to not using Reduced Mana support, you're right, it would be 9%. My bad on that one. Also, source.

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maxor написал:

The facts is that almost no-one uses the blood magic passive and completely no-one uses the blood magic support gems (unless they want low life to proc).

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ScrotieMcB написал:

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ggnorekthx написал:

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ScrotieMcB написал:

Sever the Tie
You do not receive Debuffs from Curses
You do not receive Buffs from Auras

That last bit is hilarious to me, Scrotie. Just the other day I was telling a friend that I wished there was a Keystone that nullified the effects of both auras and curses on the player.

But I'm serious. The biggest problems with BMK are solo and endgame; the proposed keystone targets both issues in an elegant manner.

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maxor написал:

The facts is that almost no-one uses the blood magic passive and completely no-one uses the blood magic support gems (unless they want low life to proc).