Mana leech for spellcaster on gear and Mind Drinker

I don't know guys I just did the calcs for some example (6L EK with the usual good supports). I skilled the nearby scion 40% regen nodes and some good mana nodes. I also calced the difference of Arcane Efficiency (10% less mana costs of skills) and accounted for the 'Influence' passive.

(rough numbers from memory: 140 costs vs 110 regen/sec. However keep in mind this depends on the skill level and the supports chosen. I used an endgame EK gem for reference. Also Arcane Efficiency was very far away and granted only like -15 to -20 in costs depending if you took the other 2 nodes next to it as well or not)

In the end it wasn't worth it at all. I mean not even close. The points had to come somewhere, so I lost a lot of survivability and dps only to generate another free gem slot. And that was my intention to illustrate, I believe that all the regen stuff, clarity as well as arcane efficiency and soul siphon and mana nodes in general are totally not worth it, if you need to spend eg 10++ passive points which you could invest much better otherwise. A free gem slot doesn't justify as many passives. As a result you are pretty much forced to use a mana leech gem if you wanna be efficient. That's why I suggested mana leech on spellcaster gear for a better balance between builds. Another option would be obviously to buff all the regen stuff or soul siphon/arcane efficiency somehow.

Oh, I could have explained that regen is absolute garbage. But the intention is INT/casters having regen and others have leech. It doesn't work out that way in practice, far from it, but that's the design.

yeah so most of you seem to agree. I am still waiting for someone to explain how to make regen work with a '6-linked high mana drain' ability.

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Dan1986 написал:

yeah so most of you seem to agree. I am still waiting for someone to explain how to make regen work with a '6-linked high mana drain' ability.

See all those life nodes you have, remove them, get mana and mana regen. Then get some ES nodes too, then get EB. Then get mana, INT and mana regen on every piece of gear that can have it. You should have around 200-400 regen/second, at which point you might be able to spam a 6l EK.

I think it's a little different now but when did an EK build back in CB it's when CI was OP requiring no %ES passives to get 10k ES. I had about 30 mana passives, all gear had mana/mana regen. I had 2.5k mana w/o EB and around 250 mana/sec. I could only get off 2-3 casts of EK before pausing. The jewelry I needed didn't even exist (from my searching) so I had to craft high mana/high mana regen shit.

Leech blows regen out of the water. They keep adding hybrid passives like mana/mana regen and now life/mana but base regen is way too low or mana leech rate is too high. One of these things needs to be addressed. 1 socket vs many passives, 1 socket will always win. Either we should have an easier time using regen or a harder time using leech.

Then of course there's BM (and BM gem) where life regen + life leech is well beyond anything mana can do.

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Moosifer написал:

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Dan1986 написал:

yeah so most of you seem to agree. I am still waiting for someone to explain how to make regen work with a '6-linked high mana drain' ability.

See all those life nodes you have, remove them, get mana and mana regen. Then get some ES nodes too, then get EB. Then get mana, INT and mana regen on every piece of gear that can have it. You should have around 200-400 regen/second, at which point you might be able to spam a 6l EK.

I think it's a little different now but when did an EK build back in CB it's when CI was OP requiring no %ES passives to get 10k ES. I had about 30 mana passives, all gear had mana/mana regen. I had 2.5k mana w/o EB and around 250 mana/sec. I could only get off 2-3 casts of EK before pausing. The jewelry I needed didn't even exist (from my searching) so I had to craft high mana/high mana regen shit.

Leech blows regen out of the water. They keep adding hybrid passives like mana/mana regen and now life/mana but base regen is way too low or mana leech rate is too high. One of these things needs to be addressed. 1 socket vs many passives, 1 socket will always win. Either we should have an easier time using regen or a harder time using leech.

Then of course there's BM (and BM gem) where life regen + life leech is well beyond anything mana can do.

Don't forget that life also gets the LGoH gem as well, and when you've got abilities like LA that Fork/Chain around like mad and have inherent AoE to begin with...yeah...just makes mana look like even more of a joke. :\ Would be nice to have a 'Mana Gained on Hit' gem in that regard, but I doubt that will happen, or bake some MGoH into some of the nodes on the tree so one could get a decent amount and not be utterly chained to regen or ML on AoE abilities at least. Definitely would need balancing, but would be a nice alternative IMHO.