Elemental Proliferation + Concentrated Effect

Since Proliferation is an area effect, and Concentrated Effect gives +x% More Area Damage, if I ignite an enemy would the burning effect on proliferated targets (i.e. every enemy in range except the unit proliferating) deal +x% more damage?

Yes. It also, of course, has 30% reduced AoE.

Proliferation itself doesn't deal damage, so Concentrated Effect doesn't multiply the burn damage being shared amongst enemies. The only way the damage would be increased is if the original source of damage is affected by Concentrated Effect's damage multiplier.

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Iao написал:

Proliferation itself doesn't deal damage, so Concentrated Effect doesn't multiply the burn damage being shared amongst enemies. The only way the damage would be increased is if the original source of damage is affected by Concentrated Effect's damage multiplier.

Maybe this is right. I wasn't really thinking of non-AoE ignite effects being the source. Burning Arrow? XD

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Iao написал:

Proliferation itself doesn't deal damage, so Concentrated Effect doesn't multiply the burn damage being shared amongst enemies. The only way the damage would be increased is if the original source of damage is affected by Concentrated Effect's damage multiplier.

I want to set a man on fire. The man has friends. I use a fire ability, linked to Elemental Proliferation and Concentrated Effect. This ability hits the man, and the man is now on fire. Proliferation spreads this fire from the man to all of his friends.

Questions:

• 1) Will the man's friends — who are, apart from not being the man, otherwise entirely identical to him — take more burning damage from the proliferation than the man himself?
• 2) Is the ignite on the man — considering it is being applied with the Elemental Proliferation gem — itself considered to be an AoE effect, or is it considered a standard single target effect, and its act of proliferating to the man's friends only considers the spread effect to be the AoE?
• 3) If the proliferation ignite that is sourced from the man is considered to be AoE, will Concentrated Effect cause the man to take more damage than he would if it was not linked to Concentrated Effect, taking into account also that it is linked to Elemental Proliferation?

Everyone of them will get more damage cause the initial hit is stronger due to conc effect.
And since burning damage is 4/3 burning damage over what, 3 seconds or whatever it was of the initial hit, it has to be like this :P

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Dreggon написал:

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Iao написал:

Proliferation itself doesn't deal damage, so Concentrated Effect doesn't multiply the burn damage being shared amongst enemies. The only way the damage would be increased is if the original source of damage is affected by Concentrated Effect's damage multiplier.

I want to set a man on fire. The man has friends. I use a fire ability, linked to Elemental Proliferation and Concentrated Effect. This ability hits the man, and the man is now on fire. Proliferation spreads this fire from the man to all of his friends.

Questions:

• 1) Will the man's friends — who are, apart from not being the man, otherwise entirely identical to him — take more burning damage from the proliferation than the man himself?
• 2) Is the ignite on the man — considering it is being applied with the Elemental Proliferation gem — itself considered to be an AoE effect, or is it considered a standard single target effect, and its act of proliferating to the man's friends only considers the spread effect to be the AoE?
• 3) If the proliferation ignite that is sourced from the man is considered to be AoE, will Concentrated Effect cause the man to take more damage than he would if it was not linked to Concentrated Effect, taking into account also that it is linked to Elemental Proliferation?

1) The friends will receive the same damage as the man.
2) The ignite on the man is a single target effect being proliferated, but isn't part of the proliferation because it is the source. The area of effect is only for the spread, and has nothing to do with the burn damage.

Therealshotzz is right when the damage of the skill being used is affected by Concentrated Effect's damage multiplier. For example, Flameblast's damage is affected but not Burning Arrow's.

Pretty much.

- Your fireball has unsupported damage of 100 when all increases are applied
- you apply conc effect to it and hit an enemy for 160 damage
- he resists half of it, takes 80 damage and ignites
- base ignite strength on him is 16, which is affected by all your increases to get, say 40
- that 40 is also affected by conc effect because ignite was applied by AoE and also has that property, so let's say the final strength of ignite on him is 64
- that was the important part, you primary target is affected by ignite status that does 64 fire damage per second
- so proliferation just copies that effect to all targets within a radius as long as the main target or its corpse are affected, if corpse shatters or is raised as a minion the effect is gone
- default strength is 64 fire damage per second, but every target can resist it separately, main target with its 50% fire resist takes 32 fire damage per second, his max-resistant friend takes only 16, and their idiot friend that forgot his resist gear at home takes full 64 damage per second

Note that conc effect will reduce proliferation radius too.

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raics написал:

- that 40 is also affected by conc effect because ignite was applied by AoE and also has that property, so let's say the final strength of ignite on him is 64
- that was the important part, you primary target is affected by ignite status that does 64 fire damage per second
- so proliferation just copies that effect to all targets within a radius as long as the main target or its corpse are affected, if corpse shatters or is raised as a minion the effect is gone

Thanks, I think this is what I was after. Just some final clarifying examples:

Assume man has no fire resist.
I deal 100 damage with a fireball and it ignites a man, dealing (1/5th) 20 damage per second. All fine.

I add Conc effect to my fireball (60% more area damage) and deal 160 damage, it ignites and deals (1/5th * 1.6) (32 * 1.6) 51.2 damage per second.

I add Proliferation to my fireball, deal 160 damage, ignite a man for 51.2 damage per second, and I don't double-dip on the area bonus, so proliferatees take 51.2 damage per second.

Would area damage increase the damage of the ignite? Is the area damage bonus for the burning effect only if I'm using Proliferation?


Man mechanics are fun.

Give a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll stay warm for a lifetime.

Anyway, good info to know. +1