Cleave vs. Dual strike

Cleave deals 60% of each weapon damage, so total damage should be 120%.
Dual strike has no damage modifies, so total damage is 200%.

That means that Dual strike should have 66% more damage (even less because Cleave adds 4% dmg per level and Dual strike 3%). But when I compare, Dual Strike has 2 times more damage - why is that ?

80% of 60% is 48%.
100% is roughly double 48%.

dual strike adds the damage of the main hand and the off-hand with no penalties

cleave does this also, but the resulting damage is reduced by 40%.

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Cleave

edit: elemental damage is now included

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Ocylix написал:

dual strike adds the damage of the main hand and the off-hand with no penalties

cleave does this also, but the resulting physical damage is reduced by 40%.

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Cleave

You missed the key "80%" part.

ah, what Scrotie said :) ^

So DW with Cleave gets hit twice? That's kinda unintuitive and feels unnecessary.

At 120% base a Conc-Cleave is about as effective as Splash-Dual, but at 96% :/

not really, cleave is just like dual, but with penalties and splash damage

There's currently no real reason to use Cleave+(any support) over DualStrike+Splash.
There's also no real reason to use (any 1h skill)+(any support) over DualStrike+Splash.

Until GGG fixes it, just consider "dual wielding" to be "dual striking".

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pneuma написал:

There's currently no real reason to use Cleave+(any support) over DualStrike+Splash.
There's also no real reason to use (any 1h skill)+(any support) over DualStrike+Splash.

Until GGG fixes it, just consider "dual wielding" to be "dual striking".

this. when dual wielding nothing compares to dual strike, period.

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pneuma написал:

There's currently no real reason to use Cleave+(any support) over DualStrike+Splash.
There's also no real reason to use (any 1h skill)+(any support) over DualStrike+Splash.

Until GGG fixes it, just consider "dual wielding" to be "dual striking".

Reave is not bad for the extreme radius (or a decent radius + Conc Effect, take your pick). You might also be running a Cast on Crit melee build, in which case attack damage is not a priority. Other than that though, yep.