The Retch bug? Need help explaining, my tests dont mach wiki data

I got some questions, im geting horibly confused.
Mainly in my testing with Retch on my renger im geting data that sims to not be consistent with what i read on wiki and similar topic.

Wiki say the chaos damage is based on leech, it does not worck if you are full on life, its instant if you have VP and if you have slayer node it will worck all the time.
-I consistantly notice that monsterd take DoT even when im on full life and ES.

Tested with my BloodyElff character with Vitality Void passive, default attack, TS and




Cople of things i wish to know:
Does "% of max life" and "increased leech per sec" effect Retch? I have read on wiki that damage with Retch is mach higher if you dont use VP becouse of mods that modify leech, it refers to total DoT damage.
- i do not see difrance on DoT when im not on full life.

Does DoT from the Retch stack? Besicly if you dont have VP how does it worck?

It may be im not testing relayably or something but hell if i know whats true.
Help is mach apriciated.

I notice your character has the 'snakebite' gloves. So if you are on full Frenzy charges then you will be poisoning the enemies.

i used default attack and Tornado Shot and displeyed items.

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Does "% of max life" and "increased leech per sec" effect Retch?

Yes. What this does is increases your maximum leech, so as long as you're hitting your maximum leech then you'll be leeching more per second and thus retch will do more damage. If you have VP this does nothing as there is no leech rate.

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I have read on wiki that damage with Retch is mach higher if you dont use VP becouse of mods that modify leech, it refers to total DoT damage.

Yes this is essentially true. With VP retch will be doing damage based on how much life you leeched (if you're at full nothing happens, if you leech back 800 damage then you do 1600 chaos dmg). However with things like Cherribum's you get a mod that does "100% life leeched per second", which keeps the same duration but doubles the rate, this means that without VP you are leeching twice as much, and thus retch will do twice as much. To fully take advantage of these though you need the slayer ascendency.

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Does DoT from the Retch stack? Besicly if you dont have VP how does it worck?

Sure, you can think of it as stacking. It works the same way as leech.


As for the results you're seeing, you shouldn't be doing chaos damage with the retch of full life unless you have the slayer ascendancy point. If you confirm you don't have it, then please post all your gear/character.

edit: Ah i see you're testing on a ranger. You shouldn't be doing any chaos damage if your snakebites are off and your atziri's promise isn't being touched. I suggest you grab a lvl 1 bow and go attack normal gravicious to more easily test to see if you're bypassing ES with any damage.

edit2: also I suggest you read the wiki on life leech. It's complicated but it'll clear up a bunch of the things you were asking about in better detail than I did.

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habbey написал:

edit: Ah i see you're testing on a ranger. You shouldn't be doing any chaos damage if your snakebites are off and your atziri's promise isn't being touched. I suggest you grab a lvl 1 bow and go attack normal gravicious to more easily test to see if you're bypassing ES with any damage.

I have tested for some time in Mercles Dried Lake and i found ES rare monster and DoT whas bypassing ES.
Damage whas not so big, usualy for rare monster abouth length of one leter of their name.
Also i have not been able to see difrance in DoT damage when i got basicly no life and when i attack with full life.

Thast realy confusing, i do not posess Vinktar flask to test more.
I have plans to use belt in slayer build if att all posible in Essency league and unfortunatly i have no Slayer character to proof test this before i comit to get one.

Thing is if Retch dont even need slayer passive to do damage att full life then i can perhaps consider spending last 2 ascendency points on difrent stuff.

Try doing the same thing as before, but without the Retch. Test it with and without the Retch. If it only works when the Retch is on, then you know the Retch is probably causing it.

I trie all that before and yes Retch is cause of this.

Also you can not do this with level 1 bow and what not becouse it have no damge to leech from. My wand CoC build with wery low default attack damage have besicly no effect you can observe with eye.

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nEVER_BoRN написал:

I trie all that before and yes Retch is cause of this.

Also you can not do this with level 1 bow and what not becouse it have no damge to leech from. My wand CoC build with wery low default attack damage have besicly no effect you can observe with eye.

So, I decided to test this out again and guess what, you've discovered a bug! The cause of this bug is by the modifier "increased life leech per second". From what I can gather leech, even when at full, that is generated by this modifier will do damage with the retch, while the "normal" leech will not. You can test this by making sure you have none of that modifier (take off cherrubim's, no vitality void, or the other nodes that have it -- but obviously still have life leech somehow like the gem). edit: and go attack some ES monsters, you'll see you don't bypass ES at all anymore.

What this means for you and your plan. Obviously you shouldn't make your build depending on a bug so you should get endless hunger, but even more than that, you should be getting endless hunger even if this bug never gets fixed, since its SUCH a strong defensive node when you're stacking "life leech per second" and "max leech rate", which you should do as much as possible.

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habbey написал:

"100% life leeched per second", which keeps the same duration but doubles the rate

The duration will be cut in half. The rate directly affects the duration of the leech. In case that helps understanding what the problem may be in this thread I haven't quite read everything / understood the issue.

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KoKid написал:

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habbey написал:

"100% life leeched per second", which keeps the same duration but doubles the rate

The duration will be cut in half. The rate directly affects the duration of the leech. In case that helps understanding what the problem may be in this thread I haven't quite read everything / understood the issue.

YOU'D THINK THAT, HUH?

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Leech#Modifiers

Sadly you'd be wrong. Increased leech rate is a buff to leech amount, unless you have vaal pact.