The Retch bug? Need help explaining, my tests dont mach wiki data

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HikaruYami написал:

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KoKid написал:

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habbey написал:

"100% life leeched per second", which keeps the same duration but doubles the rate

The duration will be cut in half. The rate directly affects the duration of the leech. In case that helps understanding what the problem may be in this thread I haven't quite read everything / understood the issue.

YOU'D THINK THAT, HUH?

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Leech#Modifiers

Sadly you'd be wrong. Increased leech rate is a buff to leech amount, unless you have vaal pact.

To expand on this, when the leech changes came about Chris came out and explicitly stated your duration is unaffected. The reason they did this is because cutting your duration can easily be seen as a negative considering you're going to be reaching your max leech sometimes, so your rate is gonna be wasted and then its hurting your duration for nothing. This is never more true than now with endless hunger, since full life won't stop your leech.

So, basically it isn't necessarily the intuitive way for it to work, but it is definitely the better way for it to work in terms of game mechanics.

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habbey написал:

Nice to know. Good job figuring whats going on with Retch.



About leech, how i understand relevant parts in this mather.

Life leech duration consist of life you acumulated after attack.
Its besicly a tank from which you will fuel the pipe.

Consider 'leech rate' to be diameter of pipe and 'max leech rate' to be a bucket with limited space. You can not transfer more then bucket can recive.
Bucket will be consume untill your life is full, in case of slayer it will end when tank is emty.

Leech rate on single target per hit is maximum of 2% of your life, you can have multiple instances.
Its modified with " % increasde life leech rate per sec. "

Max life leech rate is 20% of your life.
Its modified with "% of maximum life per sec" to "max life leech rate"

So the leech rate used to calculate the duration is in fact the default leech rate ? of 2% life ?

While on the topic of the retch, since we have someone who can test it... how does it interact with crown of the pale king? Retch damage is, according to the wiki reflect damage. So if it works the way I think it does, then crown of the pale king would heal you for 60% of your leech healing during leech...
Is it possible for you to test this?
I really want to know!

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nEVER_BoRN написал:

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habbey написал:

Nice to know. Good job figuring whats going on with Retch.



About leech, how i understand relevant parts in this mather.

Life leech duration consist of life you acumulated after attack.
Its besicly a tank from which you will fuel the pipe.

Consider 'leech rate' to be diameter of pipe and 'max leech rate' to be a bucket with limited space. You can not transfer more then bucket can recive.

Leech rate on single target per hit is maximum of 2% of your life.
Its modified with " % increasde life leech rate per sec. "

Max life leech rate is 20% of your life.
Its modified with "% of maximum life per sec" to "max life leech rate"

More or less correct. The part that is important with respect to what I just posted about, is in your analogy you can think of the "tank" as infinite, but you only get to use it for a certain amount of time, this time is unaffected by the pipe you're using entirely and is only dependent your damage and your character's maximum life.

The important take away for people that don't want the nitty gritty is that if you're not VP and you want to maximize your life leech you really want to get as much " % increasde life leech rate per sec" and as much "% of maximum life per sec" to "max life leech rate" as you can, particularly with endless hunger.

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FCK42 написал:

While on the topic of the retch, since we have someone who can test it... how does it interact with crown of the pale king? Retch damage is, according to the wiki reflect damage. So if it works the way I think it does, then crown of the pale king would heal you for 60% of your leech healing during leech...
Is it possible for you to test this?
I really want to know!

That's kinda hard to test since you'll be leeching too, also I don't have a crown of the pale king... I'll see what I can do regardless.

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So the leech rate used to calculate the duration is in fact the default leech rate ? of 2% life ?

Yes, that is correct.

I cant respond or edit fast inaff it sims. xD
Nice to leern more tho.

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FCK42 написал:

While on the topic of the retch, since we have someone who can test it... how does it interact with crown of the pale king? Retch damage is, according to the wiki reflect damage. So if it works the way I think it does, then crown of the pale king would heal you for 60% of your leech healing during leech...
Is it possible for you to test this?
I really want to know!

edit: please ignore what I never said here in this post. It definitely didn't use to say things that were based on some faulty testing.

Im just wondering have they anticipated for reflect damage in that case to be ower time effect.
VP is to convinient example and also Retch does give damage and leech so it can effect what you percive in test. I dont say it does it so substancialy but both items do have leech mods.

I sugest you trie and use leech gem with skill mainly doing damage with added chaos gem.
Use VP agen for easier way to test.

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nEVER_BoRN написал:

Im just wondering have they anticipated for reflect damage in that case to be ower time effect.
VP is to convinient example and also Retch does give damage and leech so it can effect what you percive in test. I dont say it does it so substancialy but both items do have leech mods.

I sugest you trie and use leech gem with skill mainly doing damage with added chaos gem.
Use VP agen for easier way to test.

I don't see why the reflect from retch being over time versus instant (VP vs no VP) would be an issue. The coding should just be working in a manner that whenever you do reflect damage it heals you, but you never know. That is a harder test case though (have to hit something then not get hit til your leech is completely done). I probably will not attempt to do this today, but if/when I do I'll report back in this thread.

As for the second part, retch was used on both parts of my test, so its phys damage modifier was always present (and thus wasn't effecting the test). I was testing whether crown of the pale king's heal would take effect, and so it was the only thing being taken on and off, and since pale doesn't add any damage there is no concern there.