HP in POE is what IAS was to D3?

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Oatz написал:

Well the point is that if I had 5400 HP and no resists or no armor then I would die easily.

Defense is multiple stats (hp, ele resists, armor, chaos resist) if you neglect 1 of them you are at risk of dying.

If ALL you needed was to stack life life life and nothing else then I would agree, but you really don't.

Gear-wise, you're absolutely right. Good gear combines many of these things together.

Passive-wise, you're absolutely wrong. All you need to do is stack life (nodes). Armour likes a few passives but you can easily get by leaning on the Iron Skin flask affix instead. I think this is the area that needs the most balance work.

IAS used to be freaking good, and I can understand its nerf though Blizzard handled it poorly as nothing was buffed to make up for it at the time to help characters through Inferno as well as the whole shenanigan where Legendaries would not be retroactively buffed but every IAS equip was retroactively nerfed.

And even then, there is still a difference between it and HP stacking in that HP stacking mostly comes from the passive tree, so whatever balance changes happen the biggest consequence will most likely be a passive tree reset.

Edited OP for clarity. It's not just gear, it's HP in general.

Its not analogous.

IAS was over powered.


Hit points arent over powered, the problem is that every other method of defense is underpowered(unless you have rare high end gear that most players dont have.)

Most players stack hit points because its the only real option.

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Melkrow написал:

So, how much HP do you have on your main HC character?

Godlike items are irrelevant to this discussion.

Still, I pose a question, which I suppose only GGG has answer to, how many of the top 100 HC characters are NOT stacking HP.

You realise that most would stack survivability regardless right?

Losing your character after being in the Top 100 would be an awful feeling. Players will try to prevent this wherever possible.

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Melkrow написал:

Still, I pose a question, which I suppose only GGG has answer to, how many of the top 100 HC characters are NOT stacking HP.

Why would anyone in hardcore in ANY ARPG not stack HP? Stack HP, Stack Resists, Stack Armor...

Armor/evasion/resists are useless without life, life is useless without mitigation. In HC you want to maximize your EHP for very obvious reasons. Of course the top 100 are going to stack as much EHP as possible, this is common sense. Honestly, you have no clue man.

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Oatz написал:

Yes HP is good, but HP alone will not suffice.

You need capped ele resists and around -10% chaos along with ~7k armor if you want to be safe.

Not to mention swapping gear for elemental weakness maps and stuff.

Also the game is about efficiency - I am running 5400 HP on HC - could I get more? Yes, I could def pick up more life nodes in the passive tree, but it's not worth it because I feel pretty safe at 5400 and losing the dps will make my efficiency plummet.

Big reason why IAS got nerfed in D3 was that not only was the it insanely good for DPS, it synergized extremely well with LoH mechanics so it was basically an offense and defense super stat combined into one.

Life doesn't give you any offensive capabilities in this game. These ARPG's are really just a balancing act of defense and offense....you want enough defense to be safe then from there you just add offense while maintaining your defense. When you had a stat like IAS that gave you both, you just stack it over everything else and it gave you offense and defense.

Well, you sir are a hypocrite. 5400 HP and you don't consider that "stacking HP"? That's exactly what I'm talking about, you are stacking HP, 5.4K HP is a lot. Link your gear please, let's see how many of those gear pieces do NOT have HP on them.

WTB Hardcore character that has <2K HP and heavily focuses on other defenses (aside from ES). Not gonna happen.

and your point is?

PoE is pretty much a single player game. Why does other players playstyle ruin your gaming experience?

If i feel like only using HP nodes to advance, who you are to call me out or force me to a different playstyle.

In Short: Your build went wrong, probably suck, noticed others with different builds do much better with lower overall DMG, and you try to ruin their game too.

If 3-4-5k life is considered STACKING hp, then what 7-8-9 k life is considered?

Also what is your problem if someone decides to get a balance of defence and offence on a mode that needs you to be defencive?

You can't survive if you only stack armor,you will die to elemental damage.
You can't survive if you only stack resistances, you will die to physical damage.
You can't survive if you only stack hp, you will die to everything.

This "OMG HP STACKING OIMG OMG OMG" crap you all say is wrong and idiotic. Look at ANY high hp build. ANY! And find 1 build that can do well without armor(or evasion) and resistances.
By saing doing well, i mean to be able to not die 1 time.
If it can do well but even die one time , it works really good for default,but not for hardcore.

Also they are not stacking hp,they are getting some hp multipliers.
As your gear progresses you can remove multipliers because your hp is at a good amount and get even more offence.
Everything depends one you.
Do you want a ranger that does 100 damage and have 1000 life? Go for it!
Do you want a ranger that does 200 damage and have 500 life? Go for it!
But don't forget there are options in the middle of those 2 ranges.

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then what 7-8-9 k life is considered?

Having Kaom's Heart. :p

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VolcanoElixir написал:

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then what 7-8-9 k life is considered?

Having Kaom's Heart. :p

Well,yes :P
But this means you ARE stacking hp. You could easily remove some multipliers and change some gear to stay at a good amount of hp but get much more damage!