Reddit vs Official Forums

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viperesque написал:

Speaking as a reddit mod:

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The_Scourge написал:

At least one friend of mine has been banned from there due to a personal conflict with a mod, and the 'rules' are rarely strictly enforced.

PM me details of the ban? That doesn't sound good. As for the rule enforcement, we try to stick to the letter of the rules but don't necessarily succeed. If you have any specific concerns, tell me?

Lol, i've been banned from reddit because i said that ZiggyD is a shitTier streamer in term of quality of gameplay if compared to other streamers that excel to the game

OverReacting abuse of power to protect favored child much..

The structure is eye-bleeding.

But maybe that's just me, i never utilized any sub-redit before and i browsed it a few times for PoE related topics but the lay-out and utility is so barren. That's not saying the official forums are much better in therms of utility.

I reckon if i started of on reddit i might have stayed there if i got accustomed to the lay-out/format and style.
but i ended up posting here and conversing, quite pleasantly at the time in off-topic with a lot of community members and sort of sticked around for general discussions around balance and the game as a whole.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Sexcalibure написал:

Lol, i've been banned from reddit because i said that ZiggyD is a shitTier streamer in term of quality of gameplay if compared to other streamers that excel to the game

OverReacting abuse of power much..

That or maybe you need to learn how to convey your opinion a little more civilly. Like I said, you keep going on about how people have it in for you, but then you accuse people in virtually opposite camps with virtually opposed methodologies of doing so. I dunno, maybe...just maybe, it's you? English clearly isn't your first language (you make far too many strange grammatical mistakes to be mistaken for a native speaker) so maybe you should look into ways of expressing yourself in English that don't come across as harsh and abusive. Hint: calling anyone 'shit-tier' isn't very nice.

Maybe we could ALL do a little better on the getting-along-with-people front.

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viperesque написал:

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Kiss_Me_Quick написал:

The moderation part is interesting as well. I have an odd feeling that what has happened is the same story as Warframe, everyone who is opposed to either nifty community moderation or the popular opinion, gets removed from the community. This eventually has created an echo chamber that blocks out everyone new who do not share the same opinions.

We certainly aren't doing that. If anything we're actually too lenient on controversial posts to try and avoid this exact accusation. Tons of people report posts that bash GGG or state an unpopular opinion, and I can guarantee that we approve the vast majority of them. Ones we remove are removed for breaking rules, not for their stance.

Speaking as a user again:

Reddit kind of naturally creates echo chambers, because the voting system basically reinforces the majority view. I don't much like the general subreddit community vibe either, but frankly I think the solution is more moderation, not less. We don't do that because we actively want to be a lowest common denominator sub that accurately reflects the community (within reason), but I often daydream of making a splinter with very strict moderation, trying to make an actually good community.

If we take a poster who holds the same values as I do, which definitely aren't rare by themselves, but rather rarely expressed - the ban would be very quick to come.
We can take as an example a thread like this - https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/7wjuaf/i_know_its_a_topic_thats_been_beat_to_death_but/
You are allowed to constantly cry and bitch about these things, but you are most definitely not allowed to state other users that they're being overdramatic and sensitive. You might not get banned instantly but within a few days of spreading your anti-snowflake message in the same form as snowflakes do, you will get banned.

Your intentions might be good, the outcome is bad.

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Boem написал:

Peace,

-Boem-

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The_Scourge написал:

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Sexcalibure написал:

Lol, i've been banned from reddit because i said that ZiggyD is a shitTier streamer in term of quality of gameplay if compared to other streamers that excel to the game

OverReacting abuse of power much..

That or maybe you need to learn how to convey your opinion a little more civilly.

So if i understand what you are saying, as soon as somebody claim's somebody else post is "Shitpost" he should be banned...

I've never been negative about the dude, he's quite a positive person... but the product he's "selling" is/was crap if you ask me

How many times people, on the forum or on reddit, have said that Diablo3 is shit/garbage/trash...

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Sexcalibure написал:

So if i understand what you are saying, as soon as somebody claim's somebody else post is "Shitpost" he should be banned...

I've never been negative about the dude, he's quite a positive person... but the product he's "selling" is/was crap if you ask me

How many times people, on the forum or on reddit, have said that Diablo3 is shit/garbage/trash...

It's totally different when you say it about a person. People have feelings, games do not. It's the same issue people had back when we were volunteer moderating -- we had to explain that it was perfectly okay to say 'fuck this game' but not 'fuck you'. Some people, probably ESL like yourself, couldn't grasp why it was okay to say mean, crass things about a 'thing' but not about or to a person. If the word 'fuck' is okay by the censors, why isn't it okay to use it in regards to other people? Again: because people have feelings and you can do a LOT more damage with 'fuck you' than you can with 'fuck this game' or 'fuck my life' or 'fuck these drops', etc. Same with saying someone is shit-tier. You can probably say their content is shit-tier but even that can be perceived as a personal insult. There are just better ways of wording it that, as I said, 'dance' around the moderation.

And no, I don't think that's the only reason you were banned from reddit. Plenty of people have called my uniques shit-tier on there, have said extremely mean things, and there's been no moderation resulting from it. I don't really care why you were banned or that you were, but I do know we're not going to get the full picture here, so I don't see a point in discussing it.

regarding the term 'shitpost': I think that comes much closer to the line between insulting 'something' and insulting 'someone' but the moderators here at least seem okay with people insulting what others do, just not others themselves. On the other hand, I've seen people embrace the idea of 'shitposting' with the same fondness as they have for 'trolling' in general, so maybe 'shitpost' and 'shit post' aren't the same thing anymore...:)

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Kiss_Me_Quick написал:

If we take a poster who holds the same values as I do, which definitely aren't rare by themselves, but rather rarely expressed - the ban would be very quick to come.
We can take as an example a thread like this - https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/7wjuaf/i_know_its_a_topic_thats_been_beat_to_death_but/
You are allowed to constantly cry and bitch about these things, but you are most definitely not allowed to state other users that they're being overdramatic and sensitive. You might not get banned instantly but within a few days of spreading your anti-snowflake message in the same form as snowflakes do, you will get banned.

Your intentions might be good, the outcome is bad.

It depends on how you go about it. If you call people overdramatic or sensitive, or if you attack their argument, or otherwise do things civilly, that's absolutely fine. However, it seems like the majority of posts like you describe flame people, and get removed for that reason.

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viperesque написал:

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Kiss_Me_Quick написал:

If we take a poster who holds the same values as I do, which definitely aren't rare by themselves, but rather rarely expressed - the ban would be very quick to come.
We can take as an example a thread like this - https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/7wjuaf/i_know_its_a_topic_thats_been_beat_to_death_but/
You are allowed to constantly cry and bitch about these things, but you are most definitely not allowed to state other users that they're being overdramatic and sensitive. You might not get banned instantly but within a few days of spreading your anti-snowflake message in the same form as snowflakes do, you will get banned.

Your intentions might be good, the outcome is bad.

It depends on how you go about it. If you call people overdramatic or sensitive, or if you attack their argument, or otherwise do things civilly, that's absolutely fine. However, it seems like the majority of posts like you describe flame people, and get removed for that reason.

I do not buy into that story and could possibly even get proof to prove you wrong but I am not interested in investing myself that much into that topic. What also could be the problem is that while on the forums, you can get A LOT of warnings, I believe I have around 10+ by now within a month, in PoE subreddit you can get banned after 2nd or 3rd offense.

The bans are also easy to come because if you are attacking another person by telling him / her to not be so sensitive, it eventually heats up to a debate where angry words are thrown, leading up to a ban on the initiator even when he / she postured him / herself more adequately than the person who was "attacked".
That is ONE example which has influence on forming the community.

This is purely speculation since forums / Reddit / global chats are all completely different worlds and I do not believe that me borderline hating Reddit, liking forums and absolutely loving global chats comes from nowhere.

I post on the official forums, honestly why have two forum sites for this game? I'm sure a lot of good info is missed with the use of these two sites.

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Kiss_Me_Quick написал:

I do not buy into that story and could possibly even get proof to prove you wrong but I am not interested in investing myself that much into that topic.

I don't blame you. I really don't enjoy this sort of thing but at least it's good to check in and see whether there are problems to fix. I might be wrong, but if I am then it's through ignorance, plus I would also have serious concerns about that situation and follow it up with whichever mod was involved.

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The bans are also easy to come because if you are attacking another person by telling him / her to not be so sensitive, it eventually heats up to a debate where angry words are thrown, leading up to a ban on the initiator even when he / she postured him / herself more adequately than the person who was "attacked".
That is ONE example which has influence on forming the community.

That is not an inevitability. Throwing angry words is a choice — if someone is flamed then retaliating in kind is just as bad. They can stay civil, or just report the flame and move on.

If there's some correlation between people liable to lose their temper and people who like to dissent, then that's unfortunate. But what are we meant to do about that? We can't have flaming be allowed.