Having to purchase red maps, vaal & alch orbs

Same feelings here, literally having to buy all my maps atm to get anywhere.

Hardly ever see them drop, and love it when they do so I don't have to spam whisper people to eventually sell me one of the maps cause of how dead the league is already.

Slow league start combined with rare map drops, means I can get rich just by getting one t16 map drop, kinda great, kinda stupid.

having to pay hundreds of chaos to do end game poe is disheartening.

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Bone2flesh написал:

You are complaining because you just like to complain. People in general like to complain about everything. So its not that you are in error as you stupidly put it it's just that your are just a normal person in today society who feels entitled to get everything they want. The real world does not work like that and refreshingly the virtual world of POE does not either.

If you don't get maps it's RNG at work. Bu them until the next streak of getting maps. Don't corner yourself into a specific map (don't be a sextant baby) and do ALL OF THEM.

I did around 8 or so 30+ quant T16's yesterday and did not get one map over T13. Tough. Shit happens. You know what I did next? I did my T13.

Please just play the dam game and stop this childish ranting. Or stand by your dam words, be fed up and see yourself uninstalling the game and leaving it for us "white knights" who understand how the genre works revolving around RNG.

Small edit referring to the thread title:

You do not have to buy any of those items - YOU DO NOT. You can just play with whatever you find.

- Red maps. Fill your atlas and play white and yellow maps until you find some.

- Vaal orbs: Do fragment runs and get vaal gems and use recipe, do lab for fragments and vaal gems.

- Alchemy orbs: Vendor every single rare and all unique's that drops.

I have not bought one map (thanks to horizon orbs and map to map trading), one vaal orb or alchemy orb and I am constantly at 60ish alcs and 20 vaals.

My atlas is at 155/157 and I have Uber Elder spawned.

^ This. Everyone should read through this again and again, carefully and embrace it. Very good post and illustration.
These days everyone is crying because they cant alch a map, clear it and come out with 5 new maps.

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Maelstromicus написал:

I have built up my atlas the same was as I always do.

You shouldn't be doing it the same way as last year. You now have up to a 157 atlas bonus, you have elder orb, you have shaper/elder influence.

Try running fully boosted T16 with influence, with some prophecies here and there...

Lots of people are struggling because they have not yet adapted to the new possibilities.

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Maelstromicus написал:

The sheer amount of people who are complaining is not merely a coincidence, and it's also something when the streamers have a grumble about it. I mean, if streamers with their "uncanny" rng luck have to moan about map drops, then you KNOW it's bad.

Complaining makes sense when the situation is very very shitty and you might get something to change. Right now it's not the case, 25c for a T16 is not that huge, it's been like that in many other leagues.

People should stop complaining about everything and just see it as new rules to build around.

Half of the streamers are very good and smart, ziz did a great video on map sustain. You can get great ideas from mathil, ghazzy, karv and probably lots of others. I don't think you see those complain too much on map drops. But man some are just uneducated monkeys. I was baffled how grimro can make 20min vids about why he does things and his "tips", with 0 metrics arguments, no comparison whatsoever and only justification "I think it's supergood and I love it"...

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Peterlerock написал:

It's been proven countless times that a shaped atlas works.
Even in SSF.
Look at RaizQT and other racers pretty much only running shaped underground sea.

Right because streamers treating poe as their job/spending most of time in poe are good example of rest of players.

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Peterlerock написал:

Why would you do chaos recipe?
Why would you not filter out this stuff?
Why do you use so crazy bright colors?

1 - For fun, you know Zana mods are free and i don't have to reroll maps.
2 - Please send me link how to do chaos recipe without rare items.
3 - Perhaps because every colour means something different (white - gloves/boots/helmet; yellow - body armour; red - two handed weapons; blue - amulet/ring/belt) and since i must pick all of this it's better to see what dropped and don't waste time checking every single item what it is

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Peterlerock написал:

All of this is not mandatory.

Oh sure, i forgot i can alch and go. I don't need vaal orbs for red maps + corruption uniques for +1 arrows. I don't need chaos orbs for Zana mods. I don't even need chisels. 15% mob pack and 48% iiq is enough to sustain maps and have fun.

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karoollll2534 написал:

And people keep posting same shitty advices that turn poe from funny game to worst nightmare.

Run all maps

Why do we have atlas? What is the point of shaping and ping-pong if in the end i have to run random maps. Just remove all maps and create a device that opens portal to random place - would work the same.

Vaal orbs aka fragment run

Sure, let me spend one hour trying to farm this rare gems so i can turn 7 of them into one vaal orb. I spend many hours running tidal island for "deep's one presence" mob (while running all vaal side areas) and still i'm not able to finish even one set for vaal orb.

Alchemy orb recipe/Chaos orb recipe

Having filter to show all OK rares ("highlight items by item slot"; height <=4, width = 1; wands, daggers, one handed swords, thrusting one handed swords, one handed mace) hurts your eyes.
It's even worse for chaos recipe ex (pics in spoiler):

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Now tell me this is fun (keep in mind this is "more strict" version of filter just showing chaos recipe stuff ignoring things for alch recipe)


All of this should not be mandatory. Doing unfunny stuff should only be a way to gain wealth when you are broke. Full atlas completion is not proof of your amazing skill and knowledge. Anybody can do this if given enough time

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One week playing ssf and look endgame even if i haven't tried to achive guardian maps. Meantime i can't enjoy shaped tier 11 because for every hour i have fun i must spend three dealing with all vendor recipes, trying to get my map drop etc.

The only thing your reply tells me is that you wants things handed to you with no effort.

You have an Atlas and shaping to give maps a nice structure and to have them look nice and neat in the game. You have shaping to be able to up the levels of some maps layouts and enjoy them (when they drop) at high level. You also have shaping orbs to make the Zana quest chain feel rewarding.

Before the atlas was introduced maps were exactly that: a device in a room accessed from Act 3 next to Diala that opened portals to various places. before you reply please do some research in the actual evolution of the map system in the game.

On no you have to pick up items to vendor in a ARPG. The horror. It's supposed to be a long and tedious grind to get stuff for crying out loud. it's the core concept of the genre. If it's not the game is a failure. There are so many examples of failed games that died this way.

Did you even play POE from release? Have you experienced map drops when the map system was in it's incipient phase? If you complain so much now you clearly have absolutely no clue how bad it can actually be.

If you play SSF you have no right to complain as that is just an optional game mode and the game is not balanced around it. Trading is a part of the game: use it.

None of that stuff is mandatory: you can just be an adult and stop doing stuff you do not enjoy instead of demanding it's moulded to your personal preference. Also thank you for making my point and stating that everyone can do this given enough time.

I never stated I have amazing skill or knowledge. I have basic skills and basic knowledge of the game and available game recipes to be able to play the game to a level that makes me content. If I had amazing skills and knowledge I would be drowning in Headhunters and have a perfectly geared RF character killing Uber Elder but I am far from it. In fact I am spastic easily excited moron who spawned Uber Elder and thus killing any chance I have of farming yellow and red Elders.

You are playing a Gear Grinding Game: SURPRISE! Stuff takes time.

Learn to make your Loot filter not be so hard on the eyes. It's horrific.

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karoollll2534 написал:

Right because streamers treating poe as their job/spending most of time in poe are good example of rest of players.

What a weird argument. They prove that you can sustain if you play smart enough, boom, that's it. Whether they spend 16 hours a day running their sustaining system or 2, like you - it doesn't matter. They sustain. And so could you. But you are making poor choices with wrong expectations so you don't.
And instead of running sustained maps with your precious, little time you are now wasting exactly that time to cry about it on the forums.

I started doing a tier 11 map for fun. Alch and go, around 140 atlas bonus because I don't buy maps. I am already running a tier 14 map while having a good number of tier 12s. This is spending an alch per map, running 49% quantity, sometimes even 43% and still keeping myself in the red without a problem and this has been the case in every league.

Like what the hell

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Johny_Snow написал:

I started doing a tier 11 map for fun. Alch and go, around 140 atlas bonus because I don't buy maps. I am already running a tier 14 map while having a good number of tier 12s. This is spending an alch per map, running 49% quantity, sometimes even 43% and still keeping myself in the red without a problem and this has been the case in every league.

Like what the hell

You heard it here everyone, it's working out for him so there is no problem. No, sustain is very hard and I am always bouncing back to yellow maps. I was slamming t13 and still fell back. I actually don't care anymore, because buying red maps for 4c is a joke when half of them don't even pay for themselves or drop like T9 maps.

If something has been working the same for me ever since the atlas became a thing why would I assume it is broken? Am I lucky every season? Is that it? I don't notice any huge influx of exalt drops or GG items so what is going on here, maybe GGG is fixing the drops for me so I can spread the word?

The forum: "everything works fine for me, so I should DISMISS everyone else's experience and concern as INVALID."